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« Reply #125 on: September 19, 2012, 10:39:22 AM »

The Final Vote has been halted on the grounds that two amendments posted were improperly handled or missed.

Is it possible that you and Ben could work out some kind of an agreement here? Ben never responded to your alternative numbers, that I recall. That would save a lot of time. Both amendment could be withdrawn then, a new one passed and a new final vote opened by Friday.


It is worth a few hours or until I get back online. That will allow time for it to sink in that we are changing gears here. Jumping from one vote to the next will cause confusion.
 
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« Reply #126 on: September 19, 2012, 10:43:47 AM »

Ben's amendment: https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=157619.msg3400477#msg3400477
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« Reply #127 on: September 19, 2012, 11:36:55 AM »

It would be great if Ben could just withdraw his amendment, and mine can pass without objection. Then the bill could be voted on it's merits.
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« Reply #128 on: September 19, 2012, 12:07:10 PM »

It would be great if Ben could just withdraw his amendment, and mine can pass without objection. Then the bill could be voted on it's merits.

Sbane, your amendment has significantly more money.  Therefore, I withdraw my amendment.
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« Reply #129 on: September 19, 2012, 09:14:02 PM »

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« Reply #130 on: September 20, 2012, 11:56:08 PM »

The amendment has passed.


Now, this time are we completely finished here? Tongue
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« Reply #131 on: September 21, 2012, 08:31:57 AM »

Final vote?
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« Reply #132 on: September 21, 2012, 11:25:54 PM »

Gladly

Senators, this bill is now at final vote (hopefully for the last time at that Tongue), so please vote Aye, Nay, or Abstain.
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« Reply #133 on: September 21, 2012, 11:53:35 PM »

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« Reply #134 on: September 22, 2012, 12:18:36 AM »

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« Reply #135 on: September 22, 2012, 12:45:02 AM »

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« Reply #136 on: September 22, 2012, 02:05:13 AM »

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« Reply #137 on: September 22, 2012, 09:24:48 AM »

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« Reply #138 on: September 22, 2012, 11:54:58 PM »

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« Reply #139 on: September 23, 2012, 01:08:55 PM »

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« Reply #140 on: September 23, 2012, 01:28:19 PM »

Nay

I don't see why the federal government should be in the business of operating universities.

I'm also not a fan of the fact that this bill would seem to punish regions that do not put forward a location for one of these schools. By giving the funding to another region, out-of-region competition grows, which puts a lot of pressure on the region that simply wanted to control its own educational affairs. As such, educational challenges for that region could mount, until such point as the region is cornered into accepting the federal scheme. Normally I'm a fan of competition, but when the federal government picks sides, things get a little stacked.

The 50% tax on universities not accepting federal loan money is also problematic. There are often legitimate reasons why these institutions are against loan assisstance. The semantics of operating a college shouldn't be up to us: Ultimately, students choose which universities are successful and which universities are not. A 50% tax is a ridiculous amount of money that would effectively kill the universities that have to pay it... how do you give students the resources they need if 50% of their tuition goes right to the government so that it can fund other universities? You'll see tuition prices soar at the taxed institutions until they become so high that no one wants to be a student there. The institution will close, and you'll have a situation where the government was directly responsible for shutting down a whole industry. I can't support that.
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« Reply #141 on: September 23, 2012, 11:31:27 PM »

This bill has enough votes to pass, Senators have 24 hours to change their votes.
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« Reply #142 on: September 25, 2012, 12:44:09 AM »

Final Vote on the National University and General Education Reform Bill:

Aye (7): Ben, Marokai Blue, NC Yankee, NVTownsend, Redalgo, sbane and Scott
Nay (1): HagridoftheDeep
Abstain (0):

Didn't Vote (1): Bacon King

With seven votes in the affirmative and one in the negative, the bill has passed and is presented to the President for executive action.
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« Reply #143 on: September 25, 2012, 12:45:24 AM »

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