Democrats Boo Moving US Embassy to Jerusalem

[Ray Goldfield]

I am glad there were at least a few people willing to stand up to the Zionists and the religious extremists who want to marginalize atheists.

And being against Zionism (which is harmful to the long term interests of the Jewish people) is not being anti-semitic.

95% of the countries of the world with a significant Jewish population have turned on the Jews at some point. Zionism exists to allow the Jews to determine their own fate and ensure that mass slaughter of Jewish minorities never happens again.

Not every anti-Zionist is anti-semitic, but to be strongly anti-Zionist means that anti-semitism must not be a big concern.

[Free Palestine]

This thread is so bad it should have stayed at the 2012 Election section.

Krazey and NYJew have really sunk in new lows. Too bad that Stark isn't around anymore. It would've been fun seeing the pigs duking it out in the mud.

majority of your partys delegates in the room just admitted to either being atheists or anti Semites.

Okay, first of all, opposing the spattering of the word "god" everywhere doesn't make you an atheist.  It makes you a secularist.  And second, anti-Israel is not anti-Semitic.  That's a ridiculous canard, and I hope you get banned really soon.

[Free Palestine]

I am glad there were at least a few people willing to stand up to the Zionists and the religious extremists who want to marginalize atheists.

And being against Zionism (which is harmful to the long term interests of the Jewish people) is not being anti-semitic.

95% of the countries of the world with a significant Jewish population have turned on the Jews at some point. Zionism exists to allow the Jews to determine their own fate and ensure that mass slaughter of Jewish minorities never happens again.

Not every anti-Zionist is anti-semitic, but to be strongly anti-Zionist means that anti-semitism must not be a big concern.

These guys would like to have a word with you:



And in other news...

Allegedly, a DNC delegate walked out over this.

[Ray Goldfield]

I am glad there were at least a few people willing to stand up to the Zionists and the religious extremists who want to marginalize atheists.

And being against Zionism (which is harmful to the long term interests of the Jewish people) is not being anti-semitic.

95% of the countries of the world with a significant Jewish population have turned on the Jews at some point. Zionism exists to allow the Jews to determine their own fate and ensure that mass slaughter of Jewish minorities never happens again.

Not every anti-Zionist is anti-semitic, but to be strongly anti-Zionist means that anti-semitism must not be a big concern.

These guys would like to have a word with you:



And in other news...

Allegedly, a DNC delegate walked out over this.

Ah, yes. Neteurei Karta, the radical terrorist-supporting fringe of the Ultra-Orthodox. These guys are a huge problem in Israel. They're the ones who spat on the little girl walking to school for being "immodest".

Essentially the WBC of Israel.

[mondale84]

I am glad there were at least a few people willing to stand up to the Zionists and the religious extremists who want to marginalize atheists.

And being against Zionism (which is harmful to the long term interests of the Jewish people) is not being anti-semitic.

95% of the countries of the world with a significant Jewish population have turned on the Jews at some point. Zionism exists to allow the Jews to determine their own fate and ensure that mass slaughter of Jewish minorities never happens again.

Not every anti-Zionist is anti-semitic, but to be strongly anti-Zionist means that anti-semitism must not be a big concern.

Antisemitism isn't a societal problem, it's a Jewish problem.

[Free Palestine]

But they certainly disprove the "hurrhurr, anti-Israel = anti-Semitic" drivel.

Also, aren't Haredi in Israel...very pro-Israel?

[Senator Ben]

the fact that you are playing kappo to the most dangreous threat American Jewry ever had is disgusting.

"the most dangerous threat?"  Really?  I find your trolling to be no longer funny, and extremely insulting.

[Emperor SJoyce]

This thread is so bad it should have stayed at the 2012 Election section.

Krazey and NYJew have really sunk in new lows. Too bad that Stark isn't around anymore. It would've been fun seeing the pigs duking it out in the mud.

majority of your partys delegates in the room just admitted to either being atheists or anti Semites.  50 years ago the almost every single elected democrat would have condemned every single person who vote this way.
the modern day democratic party explains how a evil nut job like Hitler came to power through mostly through democratic means.

though maybe I should drop the Nazi rhetoric would you prefer Soviet rhetoric.

It's to see gems like this that I don't have NY Jew on Ignore. Marvelous work, sir.

[Kuu ülevaade olulisematest]

Time to start infracting for excessive hyperbole, methinks.

[Joe Republic]

Oh yay, an Israel thread.

Wake me up when we get to a subject I can give two sh[inks] about.

[Ray Goldfield]

But they certainly disprove the "hurrhurr, anti-Israel = anti-Semitic" drivel.

Also, aren't Haredi in Israel...very pro-Israel?

It's quite possible to be Jewish and anti-semitic. Gilad Atzmon, for instance. These people have their own motivation.

Actually, a lot of them are not. They're very "God above everything". They don't support mainstream parties, they don't serve in the military, they sort of have their own little enclaves outside of the main cities. A lot of them have contempt for the on-average secular, moderate, diverse society that is mainstream Israel.

[Ray Goldfield]

I am glad there were at least a few people willing to stand up to the Zionists and the religious extremists who want to marginalize atheists.

And being against Zionism (which is harmful to the long term interests of the Jewish people) is not being anti-semitic.

95% of the countries of the world with a significant Jewish population have turned on the Jews at some point. Zionism exists to allow the Jews to determine their own fate and ensure that mass slaughter of Jewish minorities never happens again.

Not every anti-Zionist is anti-semitic, but to be strongly anti-Zionist means that anti-semitism must not be a big concern.

Anti-semetism isn't a societal problem, it's a Jewish problem.

You're right, the ongoing blood vendetta against Jewish existence by a large group of non-Jews is a Jewish problem. And that's why we dealt with it by securing our own country and building a large nuclear arsenal.

[Peter the Lefty]

This thread is unbelievable.  Apparently not giving a country the capital that it wants is equivalent to murdering all its people.  And apparently if something is undemocratically passed repudiating separation of church and state, and you boo, you boo God.  And frankly, those who voted no weren't necessarily even opposing Jerusalem being the capital of Israel.  Many of them (myself included, had I been there) would have simply opposed the Jerusalem thing because the language in the platform says "undivided capital." Does believing that the Palestinians oughta get a chunk of it too make me a Nazi?

[Free Palestine]

But they certainly disprove the "hurrhurr, anti-Israel = anti-Semitic" drivel.

Also, aren't Haredi in Israel...very pro-Israel?

It's quite possible to be Jewish and anti-semitic. Gilad Atzmon, for instance. These people have their own motivation.

Actually, a lot of them are not. They're very "God above everything". They don't support mainstream parties, they don't serve in the military, they sort of have their own little enclaves outside of the main cities. A lot of them have contempt for the on-average secular, moderate, diverse society that is mainstream Israel.

Regardless, anti-Israel != antisemitism.

Many people who oppose the state of Israel on a fundamental level do not want to drive the Jews into the sea or whatever -- they support creating a situation where there are no separation walls, where Jews and Arabs live in peace with one-another and can live and work wherever the heck they want, and have access to running water.

[Sibboleth]

Obviously this thread is one big disaster area and picking out any individual stupid comments seems like a waste of time. And, yet... and yet... it's hard not to comment on this:

Anti-semetism isn't a societal problem, it's a Jewish problem.

What the f[inks]?

Although a cheap laugh is accidentally attached: using the word 'societal' but not being able to spell 'semite'.

[ex-Senator X]

Obviously this thread is one big disaster area and picking out any individual stupid comments seems like a waste of time. And, yet... and yet... it's hard not to comment on this:

Anti-semetism isn't a societal problem, it's a Jewish problem.

What the f[inks]?

Although a cheap laugh is accidentally attached: using the word 'societal' but not being able to spell 'semite'.

Please lock this thread.  I can't take much more, the only way this could be worse is if Libertas and NY Jew started arguing about Israel.

[mondale84]

I am glad there were at least a few people willing to stand up to the Zionists and the religious extremists who want to marginalize atheists.

And being against Zionism (which is harmful to the long term interests of the Jewish people) is not being anti-semitic.

95% of the countries of the world with a significant Jewish population have turned on the Jews at some point. Zionism exists to allow the Jews to determine their own fate and ensure that mass slaughter of Jewish minorities never happens again.

Not every anti-Zionist is anti-semitic, but to be strongly anti-Zionist means that anti-semitism must not be a big concern.

Anti-semetism isn't a societal problem, it's a Jewish problem.

You're right, the ongoing blood vendetta against Jewish existence by a large group of non-Jews is a Jewish problem. And that's why we dealt with it by securing our own country and building a large nuclear arsenal.

You mean by stealing the land from the native peoples and turning them into refugees...

And if Jews are all as tribalistic as you suggest - and they all want to live in Israel - why don't they all just move there?

[Ray Goldfield]

I am glad there were at least a few people willing to stand up to the Zionists and the religious extremists who want to marginalize atheists.

And being against Zionism (which is harmful to the long term interests of the Jewish people) is not being anti-semitic.

95% of the countries of the world with a significant Jewish population have turned on the Jews at some point. Zionism exists to allow the Jews to determine their own fate and ensure that mass slaughter of Jewish minorities never happens again.

Not every anti-Zionist is anti-semitic, but to be strongly anti-Zionist means that anti-semitism must not be a big concern.

Anti-semetism isn't a societal problem, it's a Jewish problem.

You're right, the ongoing blood vendetta against Jewish existence by a large group of non-Jews is a Jewish problem. And that's why we dealt with it by securing our own country and building a large nuclear arsenal.

You mean by stealing the land from the native peoples and turning them into refugees...

And if Jews are all as tribalistic as you suggest - and they all want to live in Israel - why don't they all just move there?

Point proven.

[mondale84]

I am glad there were at least a few people willing to stand up to the Zionists and the religious extremists who want to marginalize atheists.

And being against Zionism (which is harmful to the long term interests of the Jewish people) is not being anti-semitic.

95% of the countries of the world with a significant Jewish population have turned on the Jews at some point. Zionism exists to allow the Jews to determine their own fate and ensure that mass slaughter of Jewish minorities never happens again.

Not every anti-Zionist is anti-semitic, but to be strongly anti-Zionist means that anti-semitism must not be a big concern.

Anti-semetism isn't a societal problem, it's a Jewish problem.

You're right, the ongoing blood vendetta against Jewish existence by a large group of non-Jews is a Jewish problem. And that's why we dealt with it by securing our own country and building a large nuclear arsenal.

You mean by stealing the land from the native peoples and turning them into refugees...

And if Jews are all as tribalistic as you suggest - and they all want to live in Israel - why don't they all just move there?

Point proven.

You can't prove a point you don't have...

[Ray Goldfield]

This is why comments like NY Jew's are so harmful.

Because by claiming everyday Democrats are anti-semitic, it makes it a lot harder to make the point when people actually are being anti-semitic. And there are plenty of anti-semites on the far-left.

[State Comptroller Atkins]

Why does this thread exist?

[mondale84]

This is why comments like NY Jew's are so harmful.

Because by claiming everyday Democrats are anti-semitic, it makes it a lot harder to make the point when people actually are being anti-semitic. And there are plenty of anti-semites on the far-left.

For you, anti-Zionist = anti-semitic.

This is in fact, not true. A lot of Jews are anti-Zionist and that's an important reason why only 37% of Jews worldwide live in Israel.

[ex-Senator X]

This may well be the worst thread that I have ever seen on this board.

[Governor Scott]

This may well be the worst thread that I have ever seen on this board.

You know it's bad when it makes it to seven pages.

[Senator Sbane]

I am glad there were at least a few people willing to stand up to the Zionists and the religious extremists who want to marginalize atheists.

And being against Zionism (which is harmful to the long term interests of the Jewish people) is not being anti-semitic.

95% of the countries of the world with a significant Jewish population have turned on the Jews at some point. Zionism exists to allow the Jews to determine their own fate and ensure that mass slaughter of Jewish minorities never happens again.

Not every anti-Zionist is anti-semitic, but to be strongly anti-Zionist means that anti-semitism must not be a big concern.

How does Zionism ensure that mass slaughters of Jewish minorities never happen again? They can only control what happens in Israel, not anywhere else. And considering the way they don't care about what the rest of the world thinks, they make attacks on Jews more likely.

Jews should be living in countries where they are accepted, like the USA. And while the Arabs/Palestinians are definitely crazy, in return the Israelis enact apartheid where Arabs are kept separate and treated as 2nd class citizens, which makes the world turn against them. I just don't see how anyone can look at the situation in Israel and think it makes the Jewish people safer. They should have tried to create a Jewish state in Wyoming, rather than a place that is holy for all the 3 violent religions of the world. Nobody would have even noticed.

And please don't give me the bullsh**t that I don't care about Jewish people. I can understand reality that the Jewish people have basically two options in Israel now. They can appease their neighbors, go back to a smaller size which would work out for the time being but could put them under intense pressure later on. The other option is just killing Arabs without mercy. Neither is going to be good for the Jewish people in the long term. Anyways I would hope they do option 1 and gain political capital with the rest of the world, which would then hopefully ensure Israel's existence into the future.

And just to ramble some more, I don't like the idea of ethno-religious states. It's the same as having a white state or a black state in my mind. It offends my sensibilities. But if the goal was to create safety for the Jewish people...should have done it in Wyoming.