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« on: September 07, 2012, 01:47:52 pm »
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Preventing an Oligarchy Amendment

Article III, Section 2, Clause 3 of the Mideast Constitution shall be amended to read:

Should the Assembly pass ordinary legislation by a majority vote, then the Governor may sign such legislation into Law, or veto such legislation. A veto may be overturned upon the two-thirds vote if the Assembly consists of five members or by a unanimous vote if the Assembly consists of three members.
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« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2012, 01:49:39 pm »
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I really don't see the need for this.  If a law is really that bad and unpopular, it can be brought up to the people for a vote.
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« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2012, 05:17:10 pm »
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I really don't see the need for this.  If a law is really that bad and unpopular, it can be brought up to the people for a vote.

Yeah, this.
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« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2012, 05:28:25 pm »
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Under current law, with 3 Assemblymen, 2 people can completely run this region. This change is how we had it before when we had 3 Assemblymen, it just wasn't added with the new amendment back in March or so.

I didn't think this would be so controversial.
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« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2012, 09:53:28 pm »
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Under current law, with 3 Assemblymen, 2 people can completely run this region.

But they wouldn't.
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« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2012, 05:14:11 am »
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Under current law, with 3 Assemblymen, 2 people can completely run this region.

But they wouldn't.
Sure, you'd have the long process of public referendum. But only two people could turn a bill into a law. That seems like a lot of power when you consider how many active folks we have in this region.
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« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2012, 07:26:00 am »
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I agree with Inks and 20RP12. The Mideast Constitution makes it quite easy for citizens to overturn a bill passed by the Assembly. I don't think this amendment is necessary.
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« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2012, 08:31:33 am »
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Under current law, with 3 Assemblymen, 2 people can completely run this region.

But they wouldn't.

But only two people could turn a bill into a law.

If the law were so controversial, I'd guarantee you that there'd be outraged citizens who would seek to have the bill repealed.
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« Reply #8 on: September 09, 2012, 12:16:36 am »
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Under current law, with 3 Assemblymen, 2 people can completely run this region.

But they wouldn't.
Sure, you'd have the long process of public referendum. But only two people could turn a bill into a law. That seems like a lot of power when you consider how many active folks we have in this region.

So your argument is that 2 people controlling a region is a bad idea, but 3 people is fine?  And this really isn't happening in cases where we have active folks.  During periods of activity, the Assembly is made up of 5 people, making the concern irrelevant.
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« Reply #9 on: September 09, 2012, 03:22:47 pm »
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« Reply #10 on: September 09, 2012, 03:32:11 pm »
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It would have been nice if some of these concerns would have been addressed the multiple times I have previously brought this up.

I disagree with the concept of it taking just as many Assembly to pass a bill as to override a veto. The Governor is potentially in a position of no power, as they can't veto with 3 Assemblymen.
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« Reply #11 on: September 09, 2012, 07:05:59 pm »
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Aye

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« Reply #12 on: September 10, 2012, 11:35:07 pm »
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Seeing no debate for 24 hours, I'll bring this to a vote.  Members will vote AYE, NAY, or ABSTAIN.  This will be a 48-hour vote.
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« Reply #13 on: September 10, 2012, 11:36:04 pm »
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« Reply #14 on: September 11, 2012, 01:24:54 am »
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I disagree with the concept of it taking just as many Assembly to pass a bill as to override a veto. The Governor is potentially in a position of no power, as they can't veto with 3 Assemblymen.
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« Reply #15 on: September 11, 2012, 03:25:59 pm »
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« Reply #16 on: September 11, 2012, 08:11:50 pm »
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« Reply #17 on: September 13, 2012, 12:04:13 am »
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Voting is now closed.  The AYEs are 1, and the NAYs are 2.  The NAYs have it, and the bill has failed.
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