PPT and Committee declaration and selection thread.

[HagridOfTheDeep]

GOR:
[3] Scott
[1] NC Yankee
[ ] NVTownsend
[2] Ben

NS:
[2] Ben
[1] Hagrid
[3] NVTownsend

Justice:
[1] Scott
[2] Hagrid
[3] Marokai Blue

[Senator Sbane]

Whoa Yankee I declared for the national security committee!!!!

[Governor Scott]

GOR:
[2] Scott
[1] NC Yankee
[4] NVTownsend
[3] Ben

NS:
[1] Ben
[4] Hagrid
[3] NVTownsend
[2] Sbane

Justice:
[1] Scott
[3] Hagrid
[2] Marokai Blue

[Senator Napoleon]

IRV wouldn't work for this, and why not just do it the same way as last time?

[President Marokai]

GOR:
[3] Scott
[1] NC Yankee
[4] NVTownsend
[2] Ben

NS:
[2] Ben
[4] Hagrid
[3] NVTownsend
[1] Sbane

Justice:
[2] Scott
[3] Hagrid
[1] Marokai Blue

[Senator North Carolina Yankee]

IRV wouldn't work for this, and why not just do it the same way as last time?

Because it was a weak system and we were in a hurry. I don't see why IRV wouldn't work, but I am no expert on these these things. There are four candidates for three positions. The top three finishers win. It is just a question of calculating the preferences.

Whoa Yankee I declared for the national security committee!!!!

I am sorry man, but you declared after the 48 hours had expired.

[Redalgo]

I did not know the committee votes applied to positions other than those recently vacated by outgoing senators until just now. I will abstain from voting, because I've been largely ignoring whatever talks have been going on leading up to this point and have apparently lost my NS seat before even realizing it was being contested.  

[Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I did not know the committee votes applied to positions other than those recently vacated by outgoing senators until just now. I will abstain from voting, because I've been largely ignoring whatever talks have been going on leading up to this point and lost my NS seat before even realizing it was being contested.  

Both the NS and Judiciary had requirements that they be "selected at the beginning of the Senate". Only the GOR lacked that clause.

[Bacon King]

I did not know the committee votes applied to positions other than those recently vacated by outgoing senators until just now. I will abstain from voting, because I've been largely ignoring whatever talks have been going on leading up to this point and lost my NS seat before even realizing it was being contested. 

Both the NS and Judiciary had requirements that they be "selected at the beginning of the Senate". Only the GOR lacked that clause.

Since the GOR committee's enabling resolution lacked such a requirement, I believe its members would continue to serve for as long as they're in the Senate-  Article 7, Section 3, Clause 3, describes how Senators are elected to a committee once it's established, but it only describes the election of new Senators in the context of a member of the committee resigning from office.

However, a potential workaround here is a selective interpretation of 7.1.3 ("The Senate as whole shall elect it's members to each committee."); if we define "The Senate" in that clause as referring to that specific session of the Senate, rather than just the Senate in general, then GOR Committee elections are definitely still legit here even without any explicit requirement for them.

[Bacon King]

GOR:
[2] Scott
[1] NC Yankee
[3] NVTownsend
[4] Ben

NS:
[1] Ben
[4] Hagrid
[3] NVTownsend
[2] Sbane

Justice:
[2] Scott
[3] Hagrid
[1] Marokai Blue

[Bacon King]

Also, I'll volunteer to count, want me to just use transferable vote like in the At-Large Senate elections?

[Senator Sbane]

IRV wouldn't work for this, and why not just do it the same way as last time?

Because it was a weak system and we were in a hurry. I don't see why IRV wouldn't work, but I am no expert on these these things. There are four candidates for three positions. The top three finishers win. It is just a question of calculating the preferences.

Whoa Yankee I declared for the national security committee!!!!

I am sorry man, but you declared after the 48 hours had expired.

Damn it.

[Senator Sbane]

GOR:
[1] Scott
[2] NC Yankee
[3] NVTownsend
[4] Ben

NS:
[3] Ben
[4] Hagrid
[2] NVTownsend
[1] Sbane

Justice:
[1] Scott
[3] Hagrid
[2] Marokai Blue

[Svensson]

GOR:
[1] Scott
[3] NC Yankee
[2] NVTownsend
[4] Ben

NS:
[3] Ben
[1] Hagrid
[2] NVTownsend

Justice:
[1] Scott
[2] Hagrid
[3] Marokai Blue

[Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I did not know the committee votes applied to positions other than those recently vacated by outgoing senators until just now. I will abstain from voting, because I've been largely ignoring whatever talks have been going on leading up to this point and lost my NS seat before even realizing it was being contested. 

Both the NS and Judiciary had requirements that they be "selected at the beginning of the Senate". Only the GOR lacked that clause.

Since the GOR committee's enabling resolution lacked such a requirement, I believe its members would continue to serve for as long as they're in the Senate-  Article 7, Section 3, Clause 3, describes how Senators are elected to a committee once it's established, but it only describes the election of new Senators in the context of a member of the committee resigning from office.

However, a potential workaround here is a selective interpretation of 7.1.3 ("The Senate as whole shall elect it's members to each committee."); if we define "The Senate" in that clause as referring to that specific session of the Senate, rather than just the Senate in general, then GOR Committee elections are definitely still legit here even without any explicit requirement for them.

Except that we (The members of the GOR Commitee) decided that the fair thing to do was to resign from the committee, so there are no current GOR Committee members. So while correct, it is a purely hypothetical situation.

[Senator North Carolina Yankee]

GOR:
[2] Scott
[1] NC Yankee
[4] NVTownsend
[3] Ben

NS:
[1] Ben
[2] Hagrid
[3] NVTownsend

Justice:
[1] Scott
[2] Hagrid
[3] Marokai Blue

[Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Also, I'll volunteer to count, want me to just use transferable vote like in the At-Large Senate elections?

If it will get the job done, then sure.

[Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Any time your ready BK.


Once you calculate the GOR numbers, I can then certify both them and the other committes and proceed to a mass chairmanship election.

[Senator North Carolina Yankee]

It appears BK is once again, unavailable, Is there anyone else that is qualified to manage such a vote counting system? Or that could show me how to do it?


We are going to have to change this process. We have lost most of September. The VP has to get this done or nearly completely by the time the PPT takes over, with the PPT handling only the Chairmanships of the committees. I think that is what Nathan intended but something came up.

[Senator MaxQue]

A Senator asked me to count it and I do it right now, but does votes for Sbane for the National Security committee are valid or not?

[Senator MaxQue]

Voters : 8
Quota : 3

Government Oversight and Reform :
First count
NCYankee : 6 (Ben, Hagrid, Scott, Marokai, Bacon King, NCYankee)
Scott : 2 (Sbane, NVTownsend)

NCYankee is over the quota and is elected. His surplus is redistributed.

Second count
NCYankee : 3
Scott : 3.5 (Sbane, NVTownsend, Scott, Bacon King, NCYankee)
Ben : 1.5 (Ben, Hagrid, Marokai)

Scott reaches the quota and is elected. Ben is elected without a quota.



National Security (if Sbane votes are valid)
First count
Ben : 4 (Ben,Scott, Bacon King, NCYankee)
Hagrid : 2 (Hagrid, NVTownsend)
Sbane : 2 (Marokai Blue, Sbane)

Ben is over the quota and is elected. His surplus is redistributed.

Second count
Ben : 3
Hagrid : 2.5 (Hagrid, NVTownsend, Ben, NCYankee)
Sbane : 2.5 (Marokai Blue, Sbane, Scott, Bacon King)

Hagrid and Sbane are elected without a quota.



National Security (if Sbane votes are not valid)
First count
Ben : 5 (Ben,Scott, Marokai Blue, Bacon King, NCYankee)
Hagrid : 2 (Hagrid, NVTownsend)
NVTownsend : 1 (Sbane)

Ben is over the quota and is elected. His surplus is redistributed.

Second count
Ben : 3
Hagrid : 2.8 (Hagrid, NVTownsend, Ben, NCYankee)
NVTownsend : 2.2 (Sbane, Scott, Marokai Blue, Bacon King)

Hagrid and NVTownsend are elected without a quota.



Justice :
First count
Scott : 6 (Ben, Hagrid, Scott, Sbane, NVTownsend, NCYankee)
Marokai Blue : 2 (Marokai, Bacon King)

Scott is over the quota and is elected. His surplus is redistributed.

Second count
Scott : 3
Marokai Blue : 3 (Marokai, Bacon King, Scott, Sbane)
Hagrid : 2 (Ben, Hagrid, NVTownsend, NCYankee)

Marokai Blue reaches the quota and is elected. Hagrid is elected without a quota.

[Senator North Carolina Yankee]

You were only suppose to to do it for the GOR Committee. There are only three people running for each of the others


I just realized something, if the Judiciary and NS chairs remains the same, I gonna have to be GOR Chair again.

[Senator MaxQue]

You were only suppose to to do it for the GOR Committee. There are only three people running for each of the others

I don't get the point of voting, but not counting votes, really.

[Senator North Carolina Yankee]

You were only suppose to to do it for the GOR Committee. There are only three people running for each of the others

I don't get the point of voting, but not counting votes, really.

It isn't necessary, for I can clearly see who won and would just ignore the prefs and treat the numbers as X's instead. Basically what we did last time.

[Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Voters : 8
Quota : 3

Government Oversight and Reform :
First count
NCYankee : 6 (Ben, Hagrid, Scott, Marokai, Bacon King, NCYankee)
Scott : 2 (Sbane, NVTownsend)

NCYankee is over the quota and is elected. His surplus is redistributed.

Second count
NCYankee : 3
Scott : 3.5 (Sbane, NVTownsend, Scott, Bacon King, NCYankee)
Ben : 1.5 (Ben, Hagrid, Marokai)

Scott reaches the quota and is elected. Ben is elected without a quota.



National Security (if Sbane votes are valid)
First count
Ben : 4 (Ben,Scott, Bacon King, NCYankee)
Hagrid : 2 (Hagrid, NVTownsend)
Sbane : 2 (Marokai Blue, Sbane)

Ben is over the quota and is elected. His surplus is redistributed.

Second count
Ben : 3
Hagrid : 2.5 (Hagrid, NVTownsend, Ben, NCYankee)
Sbane : 2.5 (Marokai Blue, Sbane, Scott, Bacon King)

Hagrid and Sbane are elected without a quota.



National Security (if Sbane votes are not valid)
First count
Ben : 5 (Ben,Scott, Marokai Blue, Bacon King, NCYankee)
Hagrid : 2 (Hagrid, NVTownsend)
NVTownsend : 1 (Sbane)

Ben is over the quota and is elected. His surplus is redistributed.

Second count
Ben : 3
Hagrid : 2.8 (Hagrid, NVTownsend, Ben, NCYankee)
NVTownsend : 2.2 (Sbane, Scott, Marokai Blue, Bacon King)

Hagrid and NVTownsend are elected without a quota.



Justice :
First count
Scott : 6 (Ben, Hagrid, Scott, Sbane, NVTownsend, NCYankee)
Marokai Blue : 2 (Marokai, Bacon King)

Scott is over the quota and is elected. His surplus is redistributed.

Second count
Scott : 3
Marokai Blue : 3 (Marokai, Bacon King, Scott, Sbane)
Hagrid : 2 (Ben, Hagrid, NVTownsend, NCYankee)

Marokai Blue reaches the quota and is elected. Hagrid is elected without a quota.

I hereby certified these as the results of the Committee Membership Election.
X NC Yankee