Vote Tracker: Equal Rights Amendment

[CatoMinor]

I still support this, but I am starting to see that TJ has a good point actually. Our Supreme Court is to the left of Karl Marx so it is not out of the realm of possibility for them to abuse this and to go after the Catholic church if someone brought the right case before them.

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

I still support this, but I am starting to see that TJ has a good point actually. Our Supreme Court is to the left of Karl Marx so it is not out of the realm of possibility for them to abuse this and to go after the Catholic church if someone brought the right case before them.

Just because our Supreme Court judges are communists doesn't mean they hate Catholics.  If they were to do anything that infringed upon the rights of religious institutions, that would be grounds for impeachment -- a move of which I would ardently support.

[Zanas]

I still support this, but I am starting to see that TJ has a good point actually. Our Supreme Court is to the left of Karl Marx so it is not out of the realm of possibility for them to abuse this and to go after the Catholic church if someone brought the right case before them.

I myself am to the left of Karl Marx, and wouldn't think a second of telling how the Catholic Church, or any other Church for that matter, should or should not appoint his clergymen and other stuff.

That is, as long as we don't give them a penny of government spending of course...

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

"The left of Karl Marx."  Does such a thing even exist?

[Zanas]

I just repeated Jbrase terms. It doesn't really make sense actually.

[CatoMinor]

I was exaggerating. Though Justice opebo probably fits that description. 

[Frodo]

So what were the final results?  I am sure this amendment passed, I just want to see the numbers. 

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

So what were the final results?  I am sure this amendment passed, I just want to see the numbers. 

There's still over a day left for most regions.

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

Time for another update!

Northeast: 9 Aye, 4 Nay, 2 Abstain
Mideast: 13 Aye, 8 Nay, 1 Abstain
IDS: 12 Aye, 6 Nay
Midwest: 8 Aye, 0 Nay
Pacific: 4 Aye, 0 Nay

Nationwide Total: 46 Aye, 18 Nay, 3 Abstain

The amendment is currently passing.

Voting for the Mideast and IDS regions ends late tonight, Midwest and Pacific tomorrow morning, and the Northeast on Saturday afternoon.

[Antonio the Sixth]

How can anyone oppose this ? I wonder what's the absurd conservative rationale that tries to justify opposition to this in a politically correct way (as states rights was for desegregation).

[California8429]

"The left of Karl Marx."  Does such a thing even exist?

It does in Atlasia

[Wisconsin+17]

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Agreed. Oppose.

[Napoleon]

How can anyone oppose this ? I wonder what's the absurd conservative rationale that tries to justify opposition to this in a politically correct way (as states rights was for desegregation).

I have yet to hear an opponent speak up and actually sound rational and in their right mind. That isn't to say someone couldn't but the vocal opponents have all managed to make themselves look less intelligent.

[Antonio the Sixth]

How can anyone oppose this ? I wonder what's the absurd conservative rationale that tries to justify opposition to this in a politically correct way (as states rights was for desegregation).

I have yet to hear an opponent speak up and actually sound rational and in their right mind. That isn't to say someone couldn't but the vocal opponents have all managed to make themselves look less intelligent.

Link to some posts ? I feel masochist today.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

How can anyone oppose this ? I wonder what's the absurd conservative rationale that tries to justify opposition to this in a politically correct way (as states rights was for desegregation).

I have yet to hear an opponent speak up and actually sound rational and in their right mind. That isn't to say someone couldn't but the vocal opponents have all managed to make themselves look less intelligent.

Link to some posts ? I feel masochist today.

Oh, just the read the whole thread. It isn't that long. And that would be far more masochistic then to just be linked to a few important ones.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Meh, it was not as awful as I was hoping for. Only 20RP12's post really was a gem of idiocy.

Oh TJ, why delete your silly posts?

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

How can anyone oppose this ? I wonder what's the absurd conservative rationale that tries to justify opposition to this in a politically correct way (as states rights was for desegregation).

what this amendment means in practice hasn't been spelled out.  For instance, are we going to have gender quotas for hiring, or for the military - or god forbid - for the draft or death penalty if we have those?   How is this amendment going to be investigated or enforced? It seems to be a solution in search of a problem.
But at the heart of it, not everyone has the exact same ideas about gender and sexual orientation.
Maybe that's not politically correct, but so what?

[Supersonic]

I support the Amendment in theory, but in reality it's just politically correct, 'feel good', lefty nonsense that will probably be interpreted rather liberally for, God forbid, gender quotas or worse.

[Napoleon]

Meh, it was not as awful as I was hoping for. Only 20RP12's post really was a gem of idiocy.

Oh TJ, why delete your silly posts?

clarence's were particularly bad.

[afleitch]

I support the Amendment in theory, but in reality it's just politically correct, 'feel good', lefty nonsense that will probably be interpreted rather liberally for, God forbid, gender quotas or worse.

Is female equality even considered 'politically correct' now? I mean it is a movement which is now over 100 years old.

[TJ in Oregon]

How can anyone oppose this ? I wonder what's the absurd conservative rationale that tries to justify opposition to this in a politically correct way (as states rights was for desegregation).

I have yet to hear an opponent speak up and actually sound rational and in their right mind. That isn't to say someone couldn't but the vocal opponents have all managed to make themselves look less intelligent.

And I've yet to hear anyone answer my criticisms by saying something of content beyond "that's absurb" or now with your remark "You're either unintelligent or have a mental disorder".

[afleitch]

How can anyone oppose this ? I wonder what's the absurd conservative rationale that tries to justify opposition to this in a politically correct way (as states rights was for desegregation).

I have yet to hear an opponent speak up and actually sound rational and in their right mind. That isn't to say someone couldn't but the vocal opponents have all managed to make themselves look less intelligent.

And I've yet to hear anyone answer my criticisms by saying something of content beyond "that's absurb" or now with your remark "You're either unintelligent or have a mental disorder".

I suggest you drop by the Senate debate thread...Senator.

[Badger]

How can anyone oppose this ? I wonder what's the absurd conservative rationale that tries to justify opposition to this in a politically correct way (as states rights was for desegregation).

I have yet to hear an opponent speak up and actually sound rational and in their right mind. That isn't to say someone couldn't but the vocal opponents have all managed to make themselves look less intelligent.

And I've yet to hear anyone answer my criticisms by saying something of content beyond "that's absurb" or now with your remark "You're either unintelligent or have a mental disorder".

I suggest you drop by the Senate debate thread...Senator.

Ouch! That's a burn...

Meanwhile, back to the point of the post--what's the vote total now.

[TJ in Oregon]

How can anyone oppose this ? I wonder what's the absurd conservative rationale that tries to justify opposition to this in a politically correct way (as states rights was for desegregation).

I have yet to hear an opponent speak up and actually sound rational and in their right mind. That isn't to say someone couldn't but the vocal opponents have all managed to make themselves look less intelligent.

And I've yet to hear anyone answer my criticisms by saying something of content beyond "that's absurb" or now with your remark "You're either unintelligent or have a mental disorder".

I suggest you drop by the Senate debate thread...Senator.

Ouch! That's a burn...

Meanwhile, back to the point of the post--what's the vote total now.

The actual thread sounded rather like this one except the entire argument was about same sex bathrooms instead of religious organizations hiring women. The argument is based on the amendments proponents repeating over and over again how the effect of the amendment in question is "ridiculous" or some synonym of it, without explaining how this would differ from the case given whether it be same sex bathrooms or religious organizations hiring women. The AG has inferred, although I cannot find a direct statement (I admit I never directly asked) the amendment is not intended to apply to religious organizations. That being said, amendments can be applied in ways other than the way in which they are intended. In Atlasia, the constitution is worded such that the Supreme Court must consider the literal meaning of the constitution rather than an implied meaning, so the possibility of an unexpected consequence is reduced in part. Yet if such an interpretation of the amendment's meaning is possible, the possibility that the court could rule such remains. No opinion has been given at all, save perhaps Scott's about "age old law", which explains why this text should not be interpreted to force the Catholic Church to hire women or why it does not invalidate the Atlasia-modified version of thew 1964 Civil Rights Act since it exempts religious institutions and this amendment does not.

I will admit I was a poor senator with regards to this; I never persued the question once the senate argument turned to same sex bathrooms. This was in part because I made the mistake of assuming this far-reaching nature of this amendment was problematic enough that it would fail much like the real life ERA failed, in part because of real life time contstraints like moving, in part because the bills supporters voted against every amendment given, and lastly in part because I'd have rather avoided this sort of confrontation if possible. I am no longer a senator for the very same real life reasons.

Now that I've shown my unintelligence and that I am not in my right mind, the amendment passed. It's over. Since this is a game and not real life, the issue is largely unimportant and our zero female members are unlikely to sue for employment discrimination.

[afleitch]

Since this is a game and not real life, the issue is largely unimportant and our zero female members are unlikely to sue for employment discrimination.

Oh you are cute It does however help the third or so of forum members who declare as LGBT.