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« on: September 11, 2012, 11:27:46 am »
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Pingvin has made disgusting statements many times, but this has irredeemably crossed over the line:
Too bad there are no more public executions. I'd love to see pedophiles suffering. Y'know, carving out organs, tortures, etc.
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« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2012, 11:32:43 am »
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Uh-oh, I respect your position, but there are people who really, really deserve it:
1) Serial killers
2) Pedophiles
3) Rapists
Plus there is a fiscal side. State could get a lot of money for different stuff from the tickets on public executions.
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« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2012, 11:38:28 am »
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Advocating torture as a means of punishment may be way out there (and of course is UnConstitutional), but it does not violate the terms of use to my knowledge.
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« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2012, 11:44:07 am »
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Advocating torture as a means of punishment may be way out there (and of course is UnConstitutional), but it does not violate the terms of use to my knowledge.

Advocating public torture and public executions?
If it's not, it definitely should be.
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« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2012, 11:48:12 am »
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I don't see how this is a bannable offense.
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« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2012, 11:55:18 am »
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« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2012, 12:02:19 pm »
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Advocating torture as a means of punishment may be way out there (and of course is UnConstitutional), but it does not violate the terms of use to my knowledge.
I don't see how this is a bannable offense.

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This should definitely fall under at least "hateful".
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« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2012, 12:02:33 pm »
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If advocating torture was a bannable offense, opebo would be long gone Tongue
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« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2012, 12:03:18 pm »
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If advocating torture was a bannable offense, opebo would be long gone Tongue

We all know that opebo is not totally serious. Pingvin, judging by his following posts, definitely is.
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« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2012, 12:05:45 pm »
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If advocating torture was a bannable offense, opebo would be long gone Tongue

We all know that opebo is not totally serious. Pingvin, judging by his following posts, definitely is.

so you'd like us to submit to a reading of the ToS that requires an author to be 'serious'. 


the fact is that the ToS are essentially inoperable as guidelines for behavior on the forum.  the Moderators have made their own rules.  together they theoretically comprise an unwritten constitution.  it is our duty as Member non-Moderators to oppose a banning in any and all circumstances, or at least give the appearance that we do (exceptions being the odd case like a HarrisonFord.)
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« Reply #10 on: September 11, 2012, 12:11:30 pm »
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if we're staying within the Atlas Canon, it is clear that this Leip statement should serve to define "hateful speech":


Discrimination and Hateful Speech: Posts deemed to be discriminatory or hateful against other posters or groups in general due to race, religion, etc. are deleted when reported.

a statement is only subject to infraction (or ban) for being 'hateful' if it is directed against an individual poster (not the case here) or against a group on the basis of "race, religion, etc.".  while the 'etc.' is necessarily ambiguous it does not include the likes of convicted murderers, rapists, pedophiles, etc; but rather homosexuals, blacks, transgenders, etc.

Pingvin, exonerated.
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« Reply #11 on: September 11, 2012, 12:16:40 pm »
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if we're staying within the Atlas Canon, it is clear that this Leip statement should serve to define "hateful speech":


Discrimination and Hateful Speech: Posts deemed to be discriminatory or hateful against other posters or groups in general due to race, religion, etc. are deleted when reported.

a statement is only subject to infraction (or ban) for being 'hateful' if it is directed against an individual poster (not the case here) or against a group on the basis of "race, religion, etc.".  while the 'etc.' is necessarily ambiguous it does not include the likes of convicted murderers, rapists, pedophiles, etc; but rather homosexuals, blacks, transgenders, etc.

Pingvin, exonerated.

Pedophilia is an orientation, as was duly explained by Cory in the thread in question.
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« Reply #12 on: September 11, 2012, 12:18:37 pm »
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Pingvin have a right to voice his opinions, even if we strongly disagree or find them repulsive. He did nothing warranting a ban.

Oppose.
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« Reply #13 on: September 11, 2012, 12:19:18 pm »
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if we're staying within the Atlas Canon, it is clear that this Leip statement should serve to define "hateful speech":


Discrimination and Hateful Speech: Posts deemed to be discriminatory or hateful against other posters or groups in general due to race, religion, etc. are deleted when reported.

a statement is only subject to infraction (or ban) for being 'hateful' if it is directed against an individual poster (not the case here) or against a group on the basis of "race, religion, etc.".  while the 'etc.' is necessarily ambiguous it does not include the likes of convicted murderers, rapists, pedophiles, etc; but rather homosexuals, blacks, transgenders, etc.

Pingvin, exonerated.

Pedophilia is an orientation, as was duly explained by Cory in the thread in question.

it's not an orientation for the purposes of any rules or guidelines, it's a diagnosable psychiatric pathology.  whether or not it 'should be' is outside the scope of this question.
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« Reply #14 on: September 11, 2012, 12:55:23 pm »
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Tweed, in this thread, for once you are making a lot of sense, and are most articulate and lucid about it. What happened?  Is this one of those very special moments where you are entirely sober, with no hangover?  Smiley
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« Reply #15 on: September 11, 2012, 01:13:24 pm »
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Pedophilia is an orientation, as was duly explained by Cory in the thread in question.

it's not an orientation for the purposes of any rules or guidelines, it's a diagnosable psychiatric pathology.  whether or not it 'should be' is outside the scope of this question.

That is precisely the question at hand - whether or not the group is approved or disapproved by authority - and in addition it is not allowed to discuss whether or not it should be.

If we are to ban all 'offensive' speech against approved groups, then it is only those groups which are still defined by power as 'beyond the pale' which are still victimizable.  Once one has imposed censorship, the only question which remains is - what do they want us to say, or not to say?

If for example a black or a gay is supported by those who control speech, we must say certain things about them.  Conversely - and I am the Poster Boy for this - if the group under consideration is condemned by those who control speech, we must do precisely as pingvin has done.  Approbation is the bannable offense, not the converse.

It is unfortunate that the subject of the thread mentioned here, in which Pingving participated so correctly, is precisely not possible to discuss in any meaningful way on this forum, but that is completely beside the point.  Pingvin was carrying out the will of the speakers of the Atlas - those people are to be condemned, and to ban the poor lad for taking just a tiny step further to excoriation is the height of unfair pettiness.

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« Reply #16 on: September 11, 2012, 01:39:16 pm »
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Tweed, in this thread, for once you are making a lot of sense, and are most articulate and lucid about it. What happened?  Is this one of those very special moments where you are entirely sober, with no hangover?   Smiley

I hope tweed doesn't view this as a personal attack.......
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« Reply #17 on: September 11, 2012, 03:02:14 pm »
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Petition to ban anyone who signed this ludicrous garbage

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« Reply #18 on: September 11, 2012, 03:25:47 pm »
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The offending posts -- and yes, calling for someone to be eviscerated, even a child molester, is inappropriate for this forum -- have been deleted.
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« Reply #19 on: September 11, 2012, 04:35:09 pm »
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I agree with Tweed.

http://youtu.be/uCLJsGk-ip4?t=4s
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« Reply #20 on: September 11, 2012, 04:47:16 pm »
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Pingvin is my best sock account creation.  I refuse to let you ban him.
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« Reply #21 on: September 11, 2012, 07:26:21 pm »
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Pingvin is an even worse thread polluter than those 2, actually. Rarely posts anything of any value.

(But I guess he's really nice in Atlasia, or something)
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« Reply #22 on: September 12, 2012, 08:30:23 am »
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The offending posts -- and yes, calling for someone to be eviscerated, even a child molester, is inappropriate for this forum -- have been deleted.

But it's hardly a bannable offense.
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« Reply #23 on: September 14, 2012, 09:42:04 pm »
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They are pushing it, but he's actually a good poster for a fascist. Don't support banning him though I expect those posts got major death points.
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« Reply #24 on: September 15, 2012, 03:04:26 am »
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Strongly opposed.

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