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« on: September 11, 2012, 09:03:17 pm »
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All right, here's a guess at how the US would vote with German parties.  

Christian Democratic Union–The dominant party of US politics.  Usually getting above 35% of the vote in federal elections, it is considered centrist-to-center-right, which makes it considered the right party for a center-right country like America.  Tend to be very strong in Pennsylvania, upstate New York, the Midwest, Virginia, a fair amount of New Jersey, and in bourgeois and socially conservative parts of the Northwest (as well as bits of the three West Coast states).  

Social-Democratic Party of America–Usually comes in a distant second in most elections.  Dominant in most large cities, always carries New England (except New Hampshire and Connecticut).  Very strong in New York City as well.  Also strong in California (where it usually comes in a much stronger second than overall), as well as Oregon, Washington, and Illinois (mainly in Chicago).  They also tend to have pockets of support among the working class black population in South Carolina, in spite of it being a very right-wing state besides that.  Also formerly strong in Wisconsin and Minnesota, where it is now loosing support.  It has, however, made big gains recently in Colorado and New Mexico.  Overall, a working-class party.  It's lost a lot of working-class support in recent years due to the adoption of Third Way economic policies.  

Greens: A left-wing environmentalist party, usually of the radicalized middle class, like in Germany.  Its base is on the West Coast.  Tends to beat the SPD for second place in Oregon, and usually not far behind in Washington.  Also very strong in California, where San Fransisco is an incredibly strong bastion for it.  Also strong in the great lakes regions, for obvious reasons.  Has a fair presence in New England, among the hippie-types, but not as strong as the West Coast.  Strong in parts of NYC (especially Manhattan and Queens), and upstate New York.  The Greens have managed to take some left-wing votes from the SPA in recent years due to the right-wing turn of the latter.  

The Republicans: (Rep for short) A very strong presence in the Bible-belt states, basically the Tea Party.  Anti-immigrant,
opposed to any regulation of the economy.  Opposed to welfare of any sort, though it maintains that if there is any, it oughta be preserved for "Americans."  

The Free Democratic Party: Essentially a fiscally right, pro-bisuness, market-libertarian, but socially left party.  Would be strong in wealthy parts of New York City, like Upper Manhattan and Staten Island.  Also strong in New Hampshire, Connecticut, Nevada, some wealthy but open parts of California, New Jersey, and in much of the financially affluent parts of Illinois.  

The Left: A very loose coalition of three factions: what was the Communist Party USA, which had already become a joke; then, what remains of the Black nationalist/black panther movement; then, a group of former SPA members who'd have left the party due to anger at Chancellor Clinton's welfare reforms and general acceptance of neoliberal policies.  

Pirate Party USA: A party which champions internet freedom and copyright reform.  Has ballooned in support lately among young internet nerds and young voters in general who really just love to protest vote.  Recent polls show it dying down, and its rise is now beginning to be seen as a fad.  

National Democratic Party: White nationalist, anti-immigrant, neo-Nazi party which hates immigrants.  Strongest in the South and in border states.  Led by David Duke.  

Most recent federal election (2009)
CDU-38%
SPA-19%
Rep-16%
Greens: 8%
Left-7%
NDP: 6%
Others-6%
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« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2012, 09:25:56 pm »
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We need some maps. Smiley
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« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2012, 09:52:00 pm »
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We need some maps. Smiley
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« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2012, 07:41:17 am »
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Where will CSU be based? In Texas?

Most recent federal election (2009)
CDU-38%
SPA-19%
Rep-16%
Greens: 8%
Left-7%
NDP: 6%
Others-6%

Interesting to see coalition. CDU+Rep? Or Grand Coalition?

And where is FDP? I think it can get significantly more in US than in Germany.
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« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2012, 02:29:35 pm »
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Where will CSU be based? In Texas?

Most recent federal election (2009)
CDU-38%
SPA-19%
Rep-16%
Greens: 8%
Left-7%
NDP: 6%
Others-6%

Interesting to see coalition. CDU+Rep? Or Grand Coalition?

And where is FDP? I think it can get significantly more in US than in Germany.
OMG totally forgot the FDP in that poll.  Here's one with it. 
CDU/CSU: 34%
SPA: 18%
Rep: 15%
FDP: 10%
Greens: 8%
Pirates-7%
Left: 5%
Others: 3%

Yeah, forgot about the CSU.  I suppose they'd be based in Texas. 
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« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2012, 02:33:08 pm »
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I actually think the FDP would poll very strongly. It might lean left on social issues, but doesn't emphasize on the at all, and its neoliberalism is in line with that of a great part of the US right. I'm pretty sure Ron Paul would be there (though he'd be in the radical wing) along with people like Paul Ryan and other "small govt" crusaders. High 10s-low 20s is a fair possibility.
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« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2012, 03:12:21 pm »
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Here's a map:

Antonio, while you're totally right that the FDP would do well, I think it would be much bigger among Wall-Street type Republicans, like Michael Bloomberg.  The small government "crusaders" would probably be more in the Republicans.  They'd find the FDP's cultural progressivism too repulsive.  And the US is so right-wing that even the FDP's economic policies would be seen as center-right.  Heck, a lot of fiscally conservative democrats would fit into the FDP okay, even though I do think that Ron Paul would fit there best (on the fringes, no doubt). 
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« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2012, 03:27:09 pm »
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OMG totally forgot the FDP in that poll.  Here's one with it. 
CDU/CSU: 34%
SPA: 18%
Rep: 15%
FDP: 10%
Greens: 8%
Pirates-7%
Left: 5%
Others: 3%

Now you forgot the NDP :-).
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« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2012, 03:48:17 pm »
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OMG totally forgot the FDP in that poll.  Here's one with it. 
CDU/CSU: 34%
SPA: 18%
Rep: 15%
FDP: 10%
Greens: 8%
Pirates-7%
Left: 5%
Others: 3%

Now you forgot the NDP :-).
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« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2012, 02:12:24 pm »
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Actually, I think the NDP would be in the others, albeit strong.  How the politicians would be organized:
CDU/CSU: Mitt Romney (the liberal version of him, at least Tongue), John Huntsman, Colin Powell, Lincoln Chafee, Charlie Christ, Mary Landrieu, Bill Nelson, Max Baucus, Bill Richardson, Joe Donnelly, Janet Nepolitano, Lindsay Graham, Mitch McConnell, John Boehner, and Scott Brown all come to mind.
SPA: Barack Obama, Hilary and Bill Clinton, Joe Biden, the Kennedys, John Edwards, Howard Dean, Russ Feingold, Kathleen Sibelius, Tom Harkin, Sherrod Brown, Eric Holder, Martin O'Malley, Deval Patrick, Brian Schweitzer, John Kerry, Chris Dodd, possibly Jerry Brown (definitely a stretch though), Al Franken, Debbie Stabenow, Nancy Pelosi.
FDP: Michael Bloomberg, Harry Reid, Andrew Cuomo, Mark Warner, Ron Paul (on the fringes no doubt), possibly Jerry Brown (if not in the SPD...he's an interesting case), Bill Richardson, Thomas Carper, Gary Johnson, Harry Reid.  
Republicans: Rick Perry, Michelle Bachmann, Newt Gingrich, Herman Cain, Jim DeMint, Eric Cantor, Marco Rubio, Bobby Jindal, Scott Walker, Nikki Haley, Paul Ryan, Sarah Palin, Rick Santorum
Greens: Ralph Nadar, Jill Stein, David Cobb, Van Jones, Mike Gravel, John Kitzhaber.  
Left: Sam Webb, Bernie Sanders, Cynthia McKinney, Cindy Sheehan, Dennis Kucinich.  
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