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Klippa
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« Reply #25 on: June 20, 2008, 07:51:54 AM »

WTF??? Do  you really believe that IN, GA, WV, ND, TN, SC, SD, MT and LA will be closer then NC. If so then you don't know anything about America and how states vote.
No, I don't really believe any of those states will be better for Obama than NC. As I (sort of) said I projected recent trends for each state. That will work for a lot of states, but of course some states will turn around or continue a recently initiated trend that won't show up till next election.
NC had been trending toward fairly steadily toward the Dems from the 1830s to the 1920s. Since the 1940 it has turned Rep. I suspect you are right. The stopping of the slide in 2000 and the upturn in 2004 may well be the beginning of a medium-term trned back to the Dems. (Rather than a false dawn, as there was in 1968 and 1984–88.)
If you just project NC's change from 2000 (13.4%) to 2004 (10.0%), you could predict 6.6% this time. (If I'd looked at where NC had fallen I would probably have made that change myself.)
It's an odd thing about Arkansas though: I know there was a Clinton factor, but it's been swinging heavily for the last 50 years. Solidly Dem (at least 14% from the national figure) from 1836 to 1956 (except for Grant's 2 wins during the Reconstruction). Since then though it has veered wildly, strongly Dem for an election or 2 and then fairly strongly GOP. It might not be just a Clinton factor. It might be a Southerner factor. They voted more Dem than the nation when the Dem was a southerner (George Wallace (IND) in 64, Carter in 76 and 80, Clinton in 92 and 96). But then Johnson and Gore were Southerners and in 64 and 2000 AR swung to the Reps.
So my apologies to elcorazon. I didn't give as much consideration to placement of every state as I should have.
If I could work out how to create my prediction map I would do so. Is there a further registration needed to do that?
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« Reply #26 on: June 20, 2008, 08:03:19 AM »

WTF??? Do  you really believe that IN, GA, WV, ND, TN, SC, SD, MT and LA will be closer then NC. If so then you don't know anything about America and how states vote.
No, I don't really believe any of those states will be better for Obama than NC. As I (sort of) said I projected recent trends for each state. That will work for a lot of states, but of course some states will turn around or continue a recently initiated trend that won't show up till next election.
NC had been trending toward fairly steadily toward the Dems from the 1830s to the 1920s. Since the 1940 it has turned Rep. I suspect you are right. The stopping of the slide in 2000 and the upturn in 2004 may well be the beginning of a medium-term trned back to the Dems. (Rather than a false dawn, as there was in 1968 and 1984–88.)
If you just project NC's change from 2000 (13.4%) to 2004 (10.0%), you could predict 6.6% this time. (If I'd looked at where NC had fallen I would probably have made that change myself.)
It's an odd thing about Arkansas though: I know there was a Clinton factor, but it's been swinging heavily for the last 50 years. Solidly Dem (at least 14% from the national figure) from 1836 to 1956 (except for Grant's 2 wins during the Reconstruction). Since then though it has veered wildly, strongly Dem for an election or 2 and then fairly strongly GOP. It might not be just a Clinton factor. It might be a Southerner factor. They voted more Dem than the nation when the Dem was a southerner (George Wallace (IND) in 64, Carter in 76 and 80, Clinton in 92 and 96). But then Johnson and Gore were Southerners and in 64 and 2000 AR swung to the Reps.
So my apologies to elcorazon. I didn't give as much consideration to placement of every state as I should have.
If I could work out how to create my prediction map I would do so. Is there a further registration needed to do that?

Yes, Go to the prediction page and there should be a link that say, create my prediction. Once you click on that it should take you to another page where you can log-in or do that further registration you need.
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« Reply #27 on: June 24, 2008, 03:25:51 PM »

I WANT MORE LISTS.  Come on people.  You'd rather do more polls on who's gonna win Michigan,or Pennsylvania or Ohio or Florida.. seriously, some of you mopes have enough time to at least think about this or do one for the middle third or half of the states.
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« Reply #28 on: June 24, 2008, 04:16:22 PM »

Utah
Wyoming
Idaho
Nebraska
Oklahoma
Kansas
Arkansas
West Virginia
Kentucky
Alabama
Tennessee
Montana
North Dakota
South Dakota
Texas
Arizona
Alaska
Louisiana
South Carolina
Georgia
Mississippi
North Carolina
Indiana
Florida
Nevada
Virginia
Missouri
Ohio
Michigan
New Mexico
Pennsylvania
Wisconsin
Colorado
New Hampshire
Iowa
Oregon
Minnesota
New Jersey
Maine
California
Connecticut
Delaware
Maryland
Massachusetts
New York
Rhode Island
Washington
Illinois
Vermont
Hawaii
District of Columbia
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« Reply #29 on: June 24, 2008, 04:29:52 PM »

Utah
Wyoming
Idaho
Nebraska
Oklahoma
Kansas
Arkansas
West Virginia
Kentucky
Alabama
Tennessee
Montana
North Dakota
South Dakota
Texas
Arizona
Alaska
Louisiana
South Carolina
Georgia
Mississippi
North Carolina
Indiana
Florida
Nevada
Virginia
Missouri
Ohio
Michigan
New Mexico
Pennsylvania
Wisconsin
Colorado
New Hampshire
Iowa
Oregon
Minnesota
New Jersey
Maine
California
Connecticut
Delaware
Maryland
Massachusetts
New York
Rhode Island
Washington
Illinois
Vermont
Hawaii
District of Columbia
nice. you've got obama doing well in indiana and missouri.  mccain dominating the "hilllary south" of ark, wv, ky, tn. 
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« Reply #30 on: June 24, 2008, 05:25:07 PM »
« Edited: June 25, 2008, 11:02:16 AM by CheeseWhiz »

I think this is an interesting idea, but I have no idea :P  However, I'm gonna give it a shot, just to see if it turns out anywhere near right.  Just remember that most of this is strictly guesswork, but at least I tried :P

Rank. State (Comparison to '04)

1.   Utah (1)
2.   Idaho (3)
3.   Wyoming (2)
4.   Oklahoma (5)
5.   Kentucky (13)
6.   West Virginia (20)
7.   Alabama (7)
8.   Nebraska (4)
9.   Mississippi (14)
10.   Arkansas (23)
11.   Kansas (9)
12.   South Carolina (16)
13.   South Dakota (12)
14.   North Dakota (21)
15.   Georgia (17)
16.   Indiana (11)
17.   Tennessee (18)
18.   Louisiana (19)
19.   Alaska (8)
20.   Montana (15)
21.   Arizona (22)
22.   Texas (10)
23.   North Carolina (21)
24.   Virginia (24)
25.   Florida (26)
26.   Missouri (25)
27.   Nevada (28)
28.   Ohio (29)
29.   New Hampshire (33)
30.   Pennsylvania (34)
31.   New Mexico (30)
32.   Colorado (27)
33.   Wisconsin (32)
34.   Michigan (35)
35.   Minnesota (36)
36.   Oregon (37)
37.   Iowa (31)
38.   Washington (38)
39.   Deleware (40)
40.   Connecticut (44)
41.   New Jersey (39)
42.   Maine (41)
43.   California (43)
44.   Maryland (46)
45.   Massachusetts (50)
46.   Rhode Island  (49)
47.   New York (47)
48.   Illinois (45)
49.   Hawaii (42)
50.   Vermont (48)
51.   District of Columbia (51)
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