Most Likely 2008 Race

[Alcon]

It should be noted that Bayh was one of 13 Senators to vote against Rice's confirmation. That might change your mind about Bayh's chances in some of those states.

Is anyone else extremely bored by the prospet of Bayh vs. Owens?

Kucinich vs. Santorum would be fun.

I doubt that "he voted against confirming Condaleeza Rice!" will be a major deal. Not sure why he did it, in any case.

I may not agree with you, but I must give you kudos for managing to be a, well, Communist in Nebraska. Where in the state are you?

[Keystone Phil]

I think Santorum will run and could win the nomination but Frist as the nominee is more likely.


Frist vs. Clinton




Frist - 321
Clinton - 217

[Bandit3 the Worker]

It should be noted that Bayh was one of 13 Senators to vote against Rice's confirmation. That might change your mind about Bayh's chances in some of those states.

It may improve his chances just slightly, but not much.

Bayh is otherwise too conservative for the Democrats.

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I'd love to see this. Santorum would get utterly demolished. And that would be so funny.

[Keystone Phil]

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...in San Francisco.

[Rob]

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Bandit, do you really believe that? Kucinich is the one Democrat Santorum could beat without an effort.

[Keystone Phil]

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Bandit has some...uh...interesting views.

[The Man From G.O.P.]

It should be noted that Bayh was one of 13 Senators to vote against Rice's confirmation. That might change your mind about Bayh's chances in some of those states.

It may improve his chances just slightly, but not much.

Bayh is otherwise too conservative for the Democrats.

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I'd love to see this. Santorum would get utterly demolished. And that would be so funny.

uh, you could run a dead bird against kucinich and have a close race...

[BobOMac2k2]

You guys are going to have to get it through your head that a bunch of no-names or favorite sons aren't going to win their party's nomination.

You're crazy to believe this.

[Moooooo]

You guys are going to have to get it through your head that a bunch of no-names or favorite sons aren't going to win their party's nomination.

You're crazy to believe this.

Like who?

[Vagabond Manifesto]

It should be noted that Bayh was one of 13 Senators to vote against Rice's confirmation. That might change your mind about Bayh's chances in some of those states.

Is anyone else extremely bored by the prospet of Bayh vs. Owens?

Kucinich vs. Santorum would be fun.

I doubt that "he voted against confirming Condaleeza Rice!" will be a major deal. Not sure why he did it, in any case.

I may not agree with you, but I must give you kudos for managing to be a, well, Communist in Nebraska. Where in the state are you?

Without getting too deep into political theory, I'm committed to the democratic process, unlike true Communists. One can be left-wing without being Communist. I'd love to discuss it if you'd like.

I'm in Lincoln

[BobOMac2k2]

Bayh or Owens will just be another John Edwards... nobody knows them outside of their states.

Hell, I have no idea who Owens is, and I just recently heard of Bayh.

You would be lucky if you saw them get the Veep spot on the ticket, yet alone the nomination.

It's going to go to one of the big names like Bush or Clinton, people who actually have the money and press.

[Rob]

You guys are going to have to get it through your head that a bunch of no-names or favorite sons aren't going to win their party's nomination.

You're crazy to believe this.

Um, John Kerry wasn't exactly a household name when he started his run. Neither was Bill Clinton. Or George Bush, Sr. Or Jimmy Carter. Or... Well, I think you get the point.

It doesn't matter that a candidate is obsure almost four years before the election. Everyone will know who they are on Election Day. And in the end, that's all that matters.

[BobOMac2k2]

But who were they running against for the partys nomination...nobodies.

You are not going to get a nomination if Gore or Clinton runs...

[Vagabond Manifesto]

Early in the primaries, Kerry was consistently getting 1% in polls.

[Moooooo]

It's going to go to one of the big names like Bush or Clinton, people who actually have the money and press.

John Kerry had to take take out second mortgage on his house to stay in the race.  Ill admit that you need money to win, but money is not everything.  

[Rob]

But who were they running against for the partys nomination...nobodies.

You are not going to get a nomination if Gore or Clinton runs...

I'm going to bring this post up when that "no-name" Bayh beats Hillary for the nomination.

[BobOMac2k2]

I would like you to....

And the fact that Kerry was only getting 1% doesn't mean a thing. He beat a bunch of nobodies in the end. It wasn't until the primaries did these guys become stars.

Do you think Kerry would have went over Gore, or hell mayor Daley?

[Moooooo]

I'm going to bring this post up when that "no-name" Bayh beats Hillary for the nomination.

The only thing that worries me about Bayh is something like a burnout factor.  He will be hyped up for so long that come election time people will be tired of hearing about him and look for someone new.

[Vagabond Manifesto]

I think if Gore thought as you do, he would have run.

[BobOMac2k2]

Gore was afraid of losing to Bush... actually losing to him.

That would have ruined his legacy to have had a clean loss to the president that he "beat"

I can see why he didn't run.

[Vagabond Manifesto]

Gore was afraid of losing to Bush... actually losing to him.

That would have ruined his legacy to have had a clean loss to the president that he "beat"

I can see why he didn't run.

Sure. I was simply saying that "no-names" can win the nomination. If Hillary runs, I don't think her nomination is a foregone conclusion.

[Rob]

Do you think Kerry would have went over Gore, or hell mayor Daley?

Yeah. I do. Name recognition doesn't entitle a candidate to the nomination. It is obvious even to many of her supporters that Hillary cannot win a general election. That alone will sink her in the primaries.

[BobOMac2k2]

No it doesn't entitle a candidate to the nomination...and Clinton is a bad example.

But I can gaurantee when our elections have been as close as they have been, and with the way people are...we won't nominate someone we know nothing about...if we have the choice.

[Rob]

What I'm trying to say is that, by Election Day, the candidates will be well known. Everyone will know their positions on everything.

[Moooooo]

But I can gaurantee when our elections have been as close as they have been, and with the way people are...we won't nominate someone we know nothing about...if we have the choice.

After two years of campaigning in Iowa and New Hampshire people will get to know candiates like Bayh, Warner, Richardson, etc. very well.