Most Likely 2008 Race

[Vagabond Manifesto]

OK, with the discussion about name recognition and for the sake of argument.

Who would win in a Boxer vs. Rice 2008 showdown? That would be awesome.

[Josh]

Well, I know Jon Stewart would have a helluva fun time with that.

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[Erc]

Other "no-name" picks:

In 1989, Clinton, although he had been governor of Arkansas for 8 years, was probably known primarily for being booed offstage at the DNC the previous year.

1973: Jimmy Carter was a two-year governor of Georgia, elected on a Wallace-esque platform.

1961: Barry Goldwater was a eight-year senator from AZ from the extreme right wing of the party.

1949: Adlai Stevenson had just been sworn in as governor of Illinois.

1937: Wendell Wilkie was a Democrat

1933: Alf Landon had just been sworn in as governor of Kansas.

1921: John W. Davis had just been replaced as Ambassador to the United Kingdom

And So Forth.

[Moooooo]

OK, with the discussion about name recognition and for the sake of argument.

Who would win in a Boxer vs. Rice 2008 showdown? That would be awesome.

Dr. Rice would stomp Barbara Boxer.  I dont understand this whole Barbara Boxer movement.  I would vote for John Ashcroft before I voted for her.

[Rob]

Who would win in a Boxer vs. Rice 2008 showdown? That would be awesome.

The map:



Boxer wins 291-247. She would do a lot better in the South, but she's too liberal.

[BobOMac2k2]

Other "no-name" picks:

In 1989, Clinton, although he had been governor of Arkansas for 8 years, was probably known primarily for being booed offstage at the DNC the previous year.

1973: Jimmy Carter was a two-year governor of Georgia, elected on a Wallace-esque platform.

1961: Barry Goldwater was a eight-year senator from AZ from the extreme right wing of the party.

1949: Adlai Stevenson had just been sworn in as governor of Illinois.

1937: Wendell Wilkie was a Democrat

1933: Alf Landon had just been sworn in as governor of Kansas.

1921: John W. Davis had just been replaced as Ambassador to the United Kingdom

And So Forth.

But who did they run against? Nobodies..

[skybridge]

Couldn't agree with you more, BobOMac2k2.

To answer some others, I think Clark/Bayh would be more likely, since there's absolutely no reason to believe that the Bush administration's foreign policy wont be an issue. I don't know if it's fair to say this, but Clark seems like he has a more distinguished public service record as well. Besides--sad as it is--Democrats need southerners.

Maybe Bayh and those others will be better known by 2006 and will be overyhped then (for the record, I'm already tired of him) but Indiana just isn't very representative. But then again you probably could have made the same case for Arkansas back in 1992.

[12th Doctor]

But who were they running against for the partys nomination...nobodies.

You are not going to get a nomination if Gore or Clinton runs...

Wow, you are way wrong there... both Carter and Clinton ran against some huge names, esspecially Carter (i.e. Scoop Jackson and Fred Harris).

[skybridge]

Apparently Nostradamus described the president as "the sheep" and his successor as "the scientist." Maybe this will help :-)

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Apparently Nostradamus described the president as "the sheep" and his successor as "the scientist." Maybe this will help :-)

I hate Bush as much as anyone, but that Nostadamus stuff is a myth.

[nini2287]

Rice v. Boxer (Roy Moore or some Southern arch-conservative would run on a 3rd party ticket) wouldn't even be funny:



Condeleeza Rice/Tommy Franks 392 EV
Barbara Boxer/Howard Dean 108 EV
Roy Moore/??? 38 EV

A possible scenario no one has discussed yet, how about John Edwards vs. Jeb Bush (even though he said he's not running)



Jeb Bush/Bill Owens 342 EV
John Edwards/Bill Richardson 196 EV

[Rob]

Jeb would lose. The nation will be sick of Bushes in 2008.

[A18]

Against John Edwards, no, he would not lose.

[Jake]

I would like you to....

And the fact that Kerry was only getting 1% doesn't mean a thing. He beat a bunch of nobodies in the end. It wasn't until the primaries did these guys become stars.

Do you think Kerry would have went over Gore, or hell mayor Daley?

all the nobodies like a VP Candidate Lieberman, a former General Clark, Sharpton, and the Democratic House leader Gephardt.

[Rob]

Against John Edwards, no, he would not lose.

It would be close. I think Edwards would at least have a strong chance of beating him. The "dynasty" issue should not be underestimated.

[Moooooo]

Jeb Bush/Bill Owens 342 EV
John Edwards/Bill Richardson 196 EV

Um, New Mexico goes to Edwards/Richardson.  Other than that I agree.

[danwxman]

Jeb Bush/Bill Owens 342 EV
John Edwards/Bill Richardson 196 EV

Um, New Mexico goes to Edwards/Richardson.  Other than that I agree.

So does Pennsylvania.

[A18]

No, Pennsylvania does not.

[danwxman]

No, Pennsylvania does not.

Wrong.

[A18]

No, Pennsylvania does not.

Wrong.

Wrong.

[Rob]

Wow, this discussion is highly productive.

[Alcon]

Wow, this discussion is highly productive.

Wrong.

[skybridge]

Apparently Nostradamus described the president as "the sheep" and his successor as "the scientist." Maybe this will help :-)

I hate Bush as much as anyone, but that Nostadamus stuff is a myth.

Actually, I didn't mean to insult the president with that one, I was just joking about making it clear who the next president would be.

[Notre Dame rules!]

I wouldn't discount Jeb's prospects too quickly.  While the country may or may not be suffering Bush fatigue by 2008, it already suffers from Clinton fatigue.  Somehow, most of you folks regard Hillary as a legitimate contender, yet dismiss Jeb's chances.     


I think a Jeb Bush/ J.C. Watts ticket would clean house in '08.   Bush would carry the South, no suprise there, but he would also carry the Catholic vote, and make even greater gains in the Hispanic vote.  The inclusion of J.C. Watts would allow the GOP to peel off about 20% or more of the Af-Am vote. 

Following their drubbing in the '08 election, the Dems would find themselves to be a party fractured beyond repair.

Hillary/Richardson  would be lucky to take CA, NM, HI, NY, MA, VT, CT, and maybe RI.

[Q]

If the two major party candidates were both moderates and a right-wing third party candidate were to enter the race, I still have a very hard time believing that that candidate would win any states.  I don't believe that the states of the Deep South are still so extreme in their views that they would vote for a 3rd party over a Republican.  Especially not Georgia, as some posts have predicted (AL, MS, and SC slightly less unlikely).  Perhaps Alabama would vote for Roy Moore over a northeastern Republican, but that's the only scenario I can imagine for a southern state to go 3rd party.