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« on: September 15, 2012, 12:23:09 AM »
« edited: October 09, 2012, 12:55:42 AM by Senator North Carolina Yankee »

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« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2012, 12:23:33 AM »

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« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2012, 12:28:16 AM »
« Edited: September 15, 2012, 03:30:47 AM by Marokai Béliqueux »

I really think it's time to just face the fact that since we've implemented the position of Secretary of Internal Affairs, after trying to give it the good college try time and time and time and time again, it just hasn't flourished in any way. The current SoIA hasn't done anything since taking office at all, and the GM rarely seems to coordinate with the position as it should.

I just don't see what we gain from continuing to keep this position. Basically all of it's territory is covered by the GM and SoEA, and I feel like it's time to abolish the position and use the manpower we spend on the position for other things. When we passed this (I even proudly supported it in the Senate at the time) we talked about how, if it didn't work, we could come back and get rid of it later, no fuss no muss. After three years we're at that point.
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« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2012, 10:33:50 AM »

I haven't seen any activity from any SoIA for the five months I've been here. I think abolishing the position is a good idea.

There's one clause of the 2009 Cabinet Restructuring Act that I think still has a bit of promise though. I like the idea of having it stipulated, in writing, that the senate is to recieve updates on Atlasia's economic situation. It's quite possible that a similar clause already exists in some other legislation. I'll propose an amendment anyway, just in case.

As it stands, shua is very good at communicating with the senate. This clause would be more of a safeguard in case a less-involved GM ever came along.


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« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2012, 10:37:45 AM »

All the Senate had to do was make the Committee...
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« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2012, 04:32:24 PM »

Marokai, does this end the power of the SoEA to write stories?
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« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2012, 05:16:19 PM »

Marokai, does this end the power of the SoEA to write stories?

Not at all, that power was established in the Game Moderator Reform Act. (Which, I suppose, we should amend to get rid of the SoIA portion if we're going to abolish the position.)



I haven't seen any activity from any SoIA for the five months I've been here. I think abolishing the position is a good idea.

There's one clause of the 2009 Cabinet Restructuring Act that I think still has a bit of promise though. I like the idea of having it stipulated, in writing, that the senate is to recieve updates on Atlasia's economic situation. It's quite possible that a similar clause already exists in some other legislation. I'll propose an amendment anyway, just in case.

As it stands, shua is very good at communicating with the senate. This clause would be more of a safeguard in case a less-involved GM ever came along.

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I have no inherent problem with this (but I'm not accepting it as friendly just yet), but with the creation of committees, and the debate over the contempt of congress act, would it be better to leave getting information from the GM to the committees rather than a scheduled State of the Union-esque speech?
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« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2012, 06:59:01 PM »

That's a fair point. It would definitely make sense for the GM to report to the committees. Since the GM is an Atlasian citizen, he would be subject to criminal penalties if he failed to report to a committee when requested (assuming the Contempt of Congress Act passes). So my amendment is unnecessary.

If the rules of the senate allow, I'd like to rescind it.
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« Reply #8 on: September 16, 2012, 12:10:43 AM »

You are right, the question is finding Mr. Right for that position and so far we haven't. I am reluctant to abolish it, simply because of all the bills that reference it or rely on it. We just passed one, I believe.
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« Reply #9 on: September 16, 2012, 12:51:55 AM »

Finding a Mr. Right is always a problem with everything, though. We shouldn't maintain a position that hasn't been particularly useful in roughly three years just out of the hope of finding someone for it at some point in the far-flung future.
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« Reply #10 on: September 16, 2012, 06:46:06 PM »
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I am also reluctant to abolish this position because I don't believe it is entirely useless.  For example, Carl was, in my opinion, a very good SOIA.  I think we need to focus more on promoting coordination between the departments rather than just eliminating one, which is what the Government Oversight and Reform Committee focused on during the last session.

I'm of the belief that "finding Mr. Right" is probably the best way of going about this -- and if it fails, throw the bum out.  I am still pessimistic about morgieb being SOIA because he hasn't done anything since taking office.
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« Reply #11 on: September 16, 2012, 07:24:08 PM »

Would it not be better for the game to have people jockeying for a few meaningful positions? Rather than having more positions than people care to fill?
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« Reply #12 on: September 17, 2012, 12:00:13 AM »

I am also reluctant to abolish this position because I don't believe it is entirely useless.  For example, Carl was, in my opinion, a very good SOIA.  I think we need to focus more on promoting coordination between the departments rather than just eliminating one, which is what the Government Oversight and Reform Committee focused on during the last session.

I'm of the belief that "finding Mr. Right" is probably the best way of going about this -- and if it fails, throw the bum out.  I am still pessimistic about morgieb being SOIA because he hasn't done anything since taking office.

Yes and there is plenty for the SoIA to do, as a I mentioned the countless bills that reference and even rely on it. What we need to do is force the occupants of this and every other office to do their job. If we repeal then someone would have to pick up the responsiblity and the likilihood is that it would jsut be thrown on the GM's already large pile.
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« Reply #13 on: September 18, 2012, 09:49:58 PM »

The SoIA position is established as a cabinet secretary as part of Article VIII of the Third Constitution.
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« Reply #14 on: September 19, 2012, 12:22:57 AM »

MAROKAI, YOU SLIPPIN? Tongue


First you declare too early and now this. Didn't you write the damn constitution? Tongue
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« Reply #15 on: September 19, 2012, 12:23:46 AM »

If I don't see an amendment to well turn tihs into an Amendment, then I might be forced to use the impractical clause. Evil
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« Reply #16 on: September 19, 2012, 11:16:59 PM »

MAROKAI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Anyway.

We just had another bill get signed into law that references the DoIA, and the Education bill has no less then five such references that I counted in it.
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« Reply #17 on: September 20, 2012, 11:28:34 PM »

Okay, now he's pissed me off. Angry
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« Reply #18 on: September 21, 2012, 04:26:15 AM »

Ugh, Purple State. Curse him for writing the damn thing in the Constitution and not informing me. No, I hadn't noticed it. What a preposterous thing to do.

Making this an Amendment would be worthless, the Smileys (henceforth my name for anyone who seems to oppose things because the reasons for it aren't warm and fuzzy) would come out in full force to doing anything about the SoIA except kicking the can down the road. We may as well move on, but at least put me on record in stating that I think continuing to keep the position is naive and a waste of all of our time.

Also, Yankee, relax. Tongue
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« Reply #19 on: September 21, 2012, 11:01:42 PM »

Are you motioning to withdraw or table this bill then?

I am not the one proposing to do nothing about the SoIA. I think that would be you by just giving up on it. Tongue On the contrary, we need to do the opposite. We need to do something to the SoIA.

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« Reply #20 on: September 22, 2012, 01:37:50 AM »

Very well then, I'll just write an amendment that will fail.

I propose an amendment to this legislation:

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« Reply #21 on: September 22, 2012, 11:57:23 PM »

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« Reply #22 on: September 23, 2012, 12:02:58 AM »

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« Reply #23 on: September 23, 2012, 11:18:46 PM »

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« Reply #24 on: September 23, 2012, 11:38:37 PM »

Nay.

Let's not put this dog down just yet.
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