Opinions of President Lyndon Johnson?

[DevotedDemocrat]

What do you feel about our 36th President?

[Donerail]

Mega HP.

Domestically: The ridiculous "chicken tax" (25% tariff), the absolutely hideous effects of the Voting Rights Act, HEA making student loans not risk-based, the Gun Controal Act of 1968, wiretapping MLK, and I'm still unsure on Heart of Atlanta, fair housing policies, and ADEA.

Foreign policy-wise: Lied in the Golf of Tonkin Resolution, the massive troop surge in Vietnam, his support for Israel in the Six Day War, 1-3 million civilians dead, 2 million drafted, Operation Brother Sam (US overthrow of a democratic peaceful government in Brazil), and Operation Power Pack (US overthrow of a democratic peaceful government in the Democratic Republic).

[Phony Moderate]

Masterful. Simply masterful.

[Modernity has failed us]

Mega HP.

To put it lightly.

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

Definitely not my favorite.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

One of the top 10 presidents ever, easily. Vietnam is a huge black mark but overshadowed by the 1964 CRA, the 1965 VRA, Medicare, and the Great Society.

[Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook]

Mixed. He's someone I can't decide wether I like or not.

[TNF]

One of the best Presidents of all time.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

The 2nd most evil President behind Wilson (3rd if you count Cheney as a President). HP.

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

Relative FF.

[TNF]

The 2nd most evil President behind Wilson (3rd if you count Cheney as a President). HP.

Giving everyone equality in the eyes of the law is evil? In what universe?

[dead0man]

Decisions made by him lead to more deaths than any other President.  Easy HP.  Plus, by all accounts he was a giant asshole to everybody.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

Decisions made by him lead to more deaths than any other President.  Easy HP.  Plus, by all accounts he was a giant asshole to everybody.

The Vietnam War's roots run all the way to Truman (possibly to Wilson if you count his snubbing of Ho Chi Minh; he was a fan of Wilson's 14 points, but Wilson told him that the 14 points didn't apply to non-Europeans.)

[dead0man]

I know the history, but none of the guys before him decided to throw everything at it.

[Modernity has failed us]

The 2nd most evil President behind Wilson (3rd if you count Cheney as a President). HP.

Giving everyone equality in the eyes of the law is evil? In what universe?

You can be as equal as you want by law, that don't mean sh-t when you're fighting in Vietnam against your will.

[TNF]

The 2nd most evil President behind Wilson (3rd if you count Cheney as a President). HP.

Giving everyone equality in the eyes of the law is evil? In what universe?

You can be as equal as you want by law, that don't mean sh-t when you're fighting in Vietnam against your will.

Fighting in Vietnam against your will was really little different from fighting in Korea against your will, or the Pacific, or Germany, etc.

Conscription was standard policy for Presidents of the left, right, and center in the 20th Century. Blaming Johnson for using conscription in Vietnam is like blaming Roosevelt for drafting people for the war against Japan, or Truman for the war in Korea.

But if your broader point is that we shouldn't have been in Vietnam, I disagree. We didn't have much of a choice. The war could have been handled better, but fundamentally, we were correct to intervene in Vietnam.

[Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook]

The 2nd most evil President behind Wilson (3rd if you count Cheney as a President). HP.

What about Nixon? He's certainly the most evil president.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

The 2nd most evil President behind Wilson (3rd if you count Cheney as a President). HP.

What about Nixon? He's certainly the most evil president.

No, Wilson is by far the most evil. Nixon is ranked 4th or 5th.

The 2nd most evil President behind Wilson (3rd if you count Cheney as a President). HP.

Giving everyone equality in the eyes of the law is evil? In what universe?

You can be as equal as you want by law, that don't mean sh-t when you're fighting in Vietnam against your will.

Fighting in Vietnam against your will was really little different from fighting in Korea against your will, or the Pacific, or Germany, etc.

Conscription was standard policy for Presidents of the left, right, and center in the 20th Century. Blaming Johnson for using conscription in Vietnam is like blaming Roosevelt for drafting people for the war against Japan, or Truman for the war in Korea.

But if your broader point is that we shouldn't have been in Vietnam, I disagree. We didn't have much of a choice. The war could have been handled better, but fundamentally, we were correct to intervene in Vietnam.

But WW2, and Korea were not started by a false flag attack that never happened.

The 2nd most evil President behind Wilson (3rd if you count Cheney as a President). HP.

Giving everyone equality in the eyes of the law is evil? In what universe?

You can be as equal as you want by law, that don't mean sh-t when you're fighting in Vietnam against your will.

Exactly.

The 2nd most evil President behind Wilson (3rd if you count Cheney as a President). HP.

Giving everyone equality in the eyes of the law is evil? In what universe?

You can't ignore starting a war over nothing. That outshines everything else Johnson did. LBJ, along with Nixon, and Wilson, are likely the only two Presidents in hell.

[Antonio the Sixth]

One of the top 3 presidents ever, easily. Vietnam is a huge black mark but overshadowed by the 1964 CRA, the 1965 VRA, Medicare, and the Great Society.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

One of the top 3 presidents ever, easily. Vietnam is a huge black mark but overshadowed by the 1964 CRA, the 1965 VRA, Medicare, and the Great Society.

Nah. Lincoln is clearly #1 (though I can understand non-Americans liking FDR), while #2 and #3 go to FDR and Washington. Fourth and fifth are tougher, but I'd go with Teddy and Harry.

[Modernity has failed us]

But if your broader point is that we shouldn't have been in Vietnam, I disagree. We didn't have much of a choice. The war could have been handled better, but fundamentally, we were correct to intervene in Vietnam.

Do you feel the same way about Iraq? Or is there some lovely, convenient excuse as to why the war started by a Republican is different?

[Donerail]

One of the top 3 presidents ever, easily. Vietnam is a huge black mark but overshadowed by the 1964 CRA, the 1965 VRA, Medicare, and the Great Society.

Nah. Lincoln is clearly #1 (though I can understand non-Americans liking FDR), while #2 and #3 go to FDR and Washington. Fourth and fifth are tougher, but I'd go with Teddy and Harry.

You never fail to amuse me with your comically backwards presidential rankings.

[Phony Moderate]

One of the top 3 presidents ever, easily. Vietnam is a huge black mark but overshadowed by the 1964 CRA, the 1965 VRA, Medicare, and the Great Society.

Nah. Lincoln is clearly #1 (though I can understand non-Americans liking FDR), while #2 and #3 go to FDR and Washington. Fourth and fifth are tougher, but I'd go with Teddy and Harry.

You never fail to amuse me with your comically backwards presidential rankings.

So you view most historians as being "backwards"?

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

One of the top 3 presidents ever, easily. Vietnam is a huge black mark but overshadowed by the 1964 CRA, the 1965 VRA, Medicare, and the Great Society.

Nah. Lincoln is clearly #1 (though I can understand non-Americans liking FDR), while #2 and #3 go to FDR and Washington. Fourth and fifth are tougher, but I'd go with Teddy and Harry.

You never fail to amuse me with your comically backwards presidential rankings.

So you view most historians as being "backwards"?

He's a special li'l libertard. Let him have his fun.

[Goldwater]

HP.