Opinions of President Lyndon Johnson?

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

The 2nd most evil President behind Wilson (3rd if you count Cheney as a President). HP.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

The 2nd most evil President behind Wilson (3rd if you count Cheney as a President). HP.

What about Nixon? He's certainly the most evil president.

No, Wilson is by far the most evil. Nixon is ranked 4th or 5th.

The 2nd most evil President behind Wilson (3rd if you count Cheney as a President). HP.

Giving everyone equality in the eyes of the law is evil? In what universe?

You can be as equal as you want by law, that don't mean sh-t when you're fighting in Vietnam against your will.

Fighting in Vietnam against your will was really little different from fighting in Korea against your will, or the Pacific, or Germany, etc.

Conscription was standard policy for Presidents of the left, right, and center in the 20th Century. Blaming Johnson for using conscription in Vietnam is like blaming Roosevelt for drafting people for the war against Japan, or Truman for the war in Korea.

But if your broader point is that we shouldn't have been in Vietnam, I disagree. We didn't have much of a choice. The war could have been handled better, but fundamentally, we were correct to intervene in Vietnam.

But WW2, and Korea were not started by a false flag attack that never happened.

The 2nd most evil President behind Wilson (3rd if you count Cheney as a President). HP.

Giving everyone equality in the eyes of the law is evil? In what universe?

You can be as equal as you want by law, that don't mean sh-t when you're fighting in Vietnam against your will.

Exactly.

The 2nd most evil President behind Wilson (3rd if you count Cheney as a President). HP.

Giving everyone equality in the eyes of the law is evil? In what universe?

You can't ignore starting a war over nothing. That outshines everything else Johnson did. LBJ, along with Nixon, and Wilson, are likely the only two Presidents in hell.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

But if your broader point is that we shouldn't have been in Vietnam, I disagree. We didn't have much of a choice. The war could have been handled better, but fundamentally, we were correct to intervene in Vietnam.

Do you feel the same way about Iraq? Or is there some lovely, convenient excuse as to why the war started by a Republican is different?

I was going to post the same thing, but could not word it without sounding like a truther. Kudos, you worded it perfectly

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

But if your broader point is that we shouldn't have been in Vietnam, I disagree. We didn't have much of a choice. The war could have been handled better, but fundamentally, we were correct to intervene in Vietnam.

Do you feel the same way about Iraq? Or is there some lovely, convenient excuse as to why the war started by a Republican is different?

Iraq was not part of a broader conflict, despite what Bush attempted to do it tying it to the War on Terror. Vietnam was clearly a proxy war in the midst of the Cold War, and that's why we had to intervene. South Vietnam was our ally and we couldn't leave it out in the cold. There's a huge, fundamental difference between the War in Vietnam and the Iraq War. The Iraq War had absolutely no purpose and nothing can justify our intervention there. At least in Vietnam we had a justification in stopping the spread of communism, which is, in my opinion, a worthwhile justification.

It could be argued that our intervention in Iraq was the same as Vietnam-helping our allies. Not that I like the Iraq war or anything....

stopping the spread of communism, which is, in my opinion, a worthwhile justification.

What a weak argument. You put Politico to shame in terms of your hackishness.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

LBJ ordering pants was hysterical. You all should google that since were on the subject of googling Johnson

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Yeah, the libertarian rationale for sorting Presidents is so f**ked up it's hilarious. You can be sure their top 5 Presidents all belong in the bottom 15 and conversely.

Libertarians' favorite President must be William H. Harrison, who did nothing, outside of getting cold during his inaugural speech.

In theory, yes. My all around favorite was Grover Cleveland.