Opinions of President Lyndon Johnson?

[Donerail]

Mega HP.

Domestically: The ridiculous "chicken tax" (25% tariff), the absolutely hideous effects of the Voting Rights Act, HEA making student loans not risk-based, the Gun Controal Act of 1968, wiretapping MLK, and I'm still unsure on Heart of Atlanta, fair housing policies, and ADEA.

Foreign policy-wise: Lied in the Golf of Tonkin Resolution, the massive troop surge in Vietnam, his support for Israel in the Six Day War, 1-3 million civilians dead, 2 million drafted, Operation Brother Sam (US overthrow of a democratic peaceful government in Brazil), and Operation Power Pack (US overthrow of a democratic peaceful government in the Democratic Republic).

[Donerail]

One of the top 3 presidents ever, easily. Vietnam is a huge black mark but overshadowed by the 1964 CRA, the 1965 VRA, Medicare, and the Great Society.

Nah. Lincoln is clearly #1 (though I can understand non-Americans liking FDR), while #2 and #3 go to FDR and Washington. Fourth and fifth are tougher, but I'd go with Teddy and Harry.

You never fail to amuse me with your comically backwards presidential rankings.

[Donerail]

One of the top 3 presidents ever, easily. Vietnam is a huge black mark but overshadowed by the 1964 CRA, the 1965 VRA, Medicare, and the Great Society.

Nah. Lincoln is clearly #1 (though I can understand non-Americans liking FDR), while #2 and #3 go to FDR and Washington. Fourth and fifth are tougher, but I'd go with Teddy and Harry.

You never fail to amuse me with your comically backwards presidential rankings.

So you view most historians as being "backwards"?

On this topic, their lists are usually in backwards order, yes.

[Donerail]

Yeah, the libertarian rationale for sorting Presidents is so f**ked up it's hilarious. You can be sure their top 5 Presidents all belong in the bottom 15 and conversely.

Libertarians' favorite President must be William H. Harrison, who did nothing, outside of getting cold during his inaugural speech.

Yes.