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« Reply #50 on: September 17, 2012, 08:12:02 PM »

He realizes that most of these 47% of people who receive more from the government than they pay in income taxes are seniors who are his base, right? Wait no, he's as far removed from reality as the rest of the crazy fascists in charge of the GOP these days.

...and a few of them are financiers using tax loss carryforward to avoid paying taxes on capital gains.

(Of course, this is one of the leading theories about why Romney is so reluctant to release more of his tax returns.)
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« Reply #51 on: September 17, 2012, 08:14:28 PM »

Who's not dependent on government? That's part of living in a normal society.

^This.
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« Reply #52 on: September 17, 2012, 08:30:25 PM »

This guy makes Dukakis look gaffe-free. Keep going Romney, maybe you'll expand the Democratic margin in the Senate while you're at it.
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« Reply #53 on: September 18, 2012, 04:53:45 AM »

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Thank you. Says it all.
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« Reply #54 on: September 18, 2012, 04:55:23 AM »

My older sister and her husband (who voted for Kerry and Obama in 2004 and 2008, respectively) sent me a text a few hours ago. She said her and her husband had been undecided and saw this on the news tonight and that this "sealed the deal" that she will vote for Governor Romney.

Her exact text:

"Everything he said in that video is true. The only people that want Obama back are the ones who feel they are owed something. I don't see the problem with him saying that because it's what so many of us all say everyday."

I don't know how this resonates, but two of the Obama voters in my family just switched to Romney.
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« Reply #55 on: September 18, 2012, 04:57:45 AM »

My older sister and her husband (who voted for Kerry and Obama in 2004 and 2008, respectively) sent me a text a few hours ago. She said her and her husband had been undecided and saw this on the news tonight and that this "sealed the deal" that she will vote for Governor Romney.

Her exact text:

"Everything he said in that video is true. The only people that want Obama back are the ones who feel they are owed something. I don't see the problem with him saying that because it's what so many of us all say everyday."

I don't know how this resonates, but two of the Obama voters in my family just switched to Romney.

It's mindless stupidity, but there are people out there like that.
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« Reply #56 on: September 18, 2012, 05:00:45 AM »

My older sister and her husband (who voted for Kerry and Obama in 2004 and 2008, respectively) sent me a text a few hours ago. She said her and her husband had been undecided and saw this on the news tonight and that this "sealed the deal" that she will vote for Governor Romney.

Her exact text:

"Everything he said in that video is true. The only people that want Obama back are the ones who feel they are owed something. I don't see the problem with him saying that because it's what so many of us all say everyday."

I don't know how this resonates, but two of the Obama voters in my family just switched to Romney.

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« Reply #57 on: September 18, 2012, 05:18:26 AM »

You could tell in the primary that Mitt's gaffes were gonna get him into trouble. Even McCain wasn't really this bad, he only really had the seven houses thing.
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« Reply #58 on: September 18, 2012, 05:26:05 AM »

My older sister and her husband (who voted for Kerry and Obama in 2004 and 2008, respectively) sent me a text a few hours ago. She said her and her husband had been undecided and saw this on the news tonight and that this "sealed the deal" that she will vote for Governor Romney.

Her exact text:

"Everything he said in that video is true. The only people that want Obama back are the ones who feel they are owed something. I don't see the problem with him saying that because it's what so many of us all say everyday."

I don't know how this resonates, but two of the Obama voters in my family just switched to Romney.

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« Reply #59 on: September 18, 2012, 05:33:12 AM »

My older sister and her husband (who voted for Kerry and Obama in 2004 and 2008, respectively) sent me a text a few hours ago. She said her and her husband had been undecided and saw this on the news tonight and that this "sealed the deal" that she will vote for Governor Romney.

Her exact text:

"Everything he said in that video is true. The only people that want Obama back are the ones who feel they are owed something. I don't see the problem with him saying that because it's what so many of us all say everyday."

I don't know how this resonates, but two of the Obama voters in my family just switched to Romney.

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« Reply #60 on: September 18, 2012, 06:03:47 AM »

If that's true, they're still outliers. This is going to damage Romney heavily.

This week will probably be looked at as the week Romney lost the election, and we haven't even gotten to the debates. Something has seriously backfired with his campaign the last month.

I think Romney ran a campaign too far to the right when he really should have been appealing to the center all along, and he's done a poor job of re-centering his campaign around independents. If you're trying to be a president for all Americans, it's unwise to just write off 47% of the electorate from the start, even if cracking 53% seems unlikely.

One thing is for certain, Mitt seems like he's unable to go a week without making a major gaffe, or without having something he said or did months or years ago come back to haunt him.
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« Reply #61 on: September 18, 2012, 06:06:43 AM »

When this election is over, this is going to be compared with Gerald Ford's "Poland is not under Soviet domination" comment from 1976.

It's that bad.
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« Reply #62 on: September 18, 2012, 06:23:17 AM »

Who's not dependent on government? That's part of living in a normal society.

In point of fact it is the rich like Romney who depend on government - it is from whence all their privilege flows.
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« Reply #63 on: September 18, 2012, 06:34:08 AM »

WOW! This is pretty bad. Now it is absolute key for the Obama camp NOT to overplay it. Let the media do their thing on this. The Obama camp should not want to get swamped in a "class warfare" debate here. They should simply point out how Obama wants to be president of ALL americans, not just half of America, how Obama doesn't think it is fair to say that senior citizens make unreasonable claims on the government, etc.
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« Reply #64 on: September 18, 2012, 06:37:02 AM »

My older sister and her husband (who voted for Kerry and Obama in 2004 and 2008, respectively) sent me a text a few hours ago. She said her and her husband had been undecided and saw this on the news tonight and that this "sealed the deal" that she will vote for Governor Romney.

Her exact text:

"Everything he said in that video is true. The only people that want Obama back are the ones who feel they are owed something. I don't see the problem with him saying that because it's what so many of us all say everyday."

I don't know how this resonates, but two of the Obama voters in my family just switched to Romney.

Clearly Mr. Romney can expect at least a 5 point "insult/write off half of the nation" bounce. Smashing, my boy. Positively smashing.
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« Reply #65 on: September 18, 2012, 06:43:35 AM »

Why is Romney repeating the 47%-dont-pay-taxes lie anyway?  That was debunked years ago...
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« Reply #66 on: September 18, 2012, 06:44:18 AM »

Why is Romney repeating the 47%-dont-pay-taxes lie anyway?  That was debunked years ago...

Because it resonates well with the kind of people he talked to when the video was filmed...
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« Reply #67 on: September 18, 2012, 06:52:19 AM »

Why is Romney repeating the 47%-dont-pay-taxes lie anyway?  That was debunked years ago...

Because as his campaign manager said he won't let his campaign be ran by fact-checkers.
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« Reply #68 on: September 18, 2012, 07:03:05 AM »

I do so enjoy these Mr Burns moments.

Still, I'd caution against assuming that this will do any actual damage. It might do, of course, but never forget that Labour actually gained Rochdale in 2010.
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« Reply #69 on: September 18, 2012, 07:08:06 AM »

My older sister and her husband (who voted for Kerry and Obama in 2004 and 2008, respectively) sent me a text a few hours ago. She said her and her husband had been undecided and saw this on the news tonight and that this "sealed the deal" that she will vote for Governor Romney.

Her exact text:

"Everything he said in that video is true. The only people that want Obama back are the ones who feel they are owed something. I don't see the problem with him saying that because it's what so many of us all say everyday."

I don't know how this resonates, but two of the Obama voters in my family just switched to Romney.

Ohio just became a lean GOP state.
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« Reply #70 on: September 18, 2012, 07:15:22 AM »


And this sort of response is why I disagree that this will all that adversely affect Romney's campaign.  It's insulting to the people who are voting for Obama, but most of the people who would vote for Romney probably agree with it and say "of course".  It's unsurprising to both sides that he'd hold such a view.
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« Reply #71 on: September 18, 2012, 07:15:41 AM »

If that's true, they're still outliers. This is going to damage Romney heavily.

 If you're trying to be a president for all Americans, it's unwise to just write off 47% of the electorate from the start, even if cracking 53% seems unlikely.
The latter is BS. Even in 2008 Obama didn't quite break 53%... I doubt Romney's hypothetical ceiling is higher then that.

I'm skeptical that this will hurt him. His statement was only inaccurate in so far as it ignored Obama supporters that do not identify as victims/entitled to assistance, and almost all those supporters consider other segments of the population as victims entitled to assistance. Most voters won't care for that lack of nuance.

I doubt it will alienate Republican-leaning elderly or lower class whites away from him, because such voters don't identify as "dependent on the government"(I recall their was a survey some time ago that said the majority of people on Social Security, not to mention various other government programs, don't associate those programs with the government).
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« Reply #72 on: September 18, 2012, 07:27:04 AM »

BTW, Ari Fleischer might be the worst Republican surrogate by far. He went out yesterday and not only embraced Mitt's remarks by he said that Romney's is right that middle class must pay higher taxes!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rj-EuYcNK-Y
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« Reply #73 on: September 18, 2012, 07:29:44 AM »

Did Today and the other early morning news shows devote time to this?  Or did they just gloss over and let it go?
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« Reply #74 on: September 18, 2012, 07:42:58 AM »


And this sort of response is why I disagree that this will all that adversely affect Romney's campaign.  It's insulting to the people who are voting for Obama, but most of the people who would vote for Romney probably agree with it and say "of course".  It's unsurprising to both sides that he'd hold such a view.

Yes; a gaffe is only damaging (genuinely damaging) if it alters perceptions.
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