Democrats exploit Pennsylvania ID law loophole.

[Landslide Lyndon]

http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/20120921_Montco_to_issue_voter_ID_cards.html

As the battle over Pennsylvania's controversial voter-ID law heads back to court, Montgomery County's Democratic-controlled government lobbed its own grenade into the partisan fracas Thursday.

Starting next month, the county will issue its own poll-ready photo IDs to registered voters through a county-run nursing home, the commissioners announced.

The plan exploits a loophole in the law that allows colleges and government-managed care facilities to issue identification cards to anyone, not just those who work, attend classes, or reside there.

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Though neither county ran its plan past the Pennsylvania Department of State, which administers elections, Ron Ruman, a spokesman for the agency, said it had no immediate plans to challenge the counties in court.

"We believe it's legal, but we don't believe it's appropriate," he said of the new policies. "To us, it's very clear that this was not in the legislative intent of the law."

[J. J.]

That's fine.  It is so provided in law.

I frankly think they should permit Welfare ID for identify purposes. 

[mondale84]

Everyone should have a federally-issued ID, as in Europe. And everyone should be automatically registered to vote at 18. End of story.

[Stranger in a strange land]

Everyone should have a federally-issued ID, as in Europe. And everyone should be automatically registered to vote at 18. End of story.

^^^^^

[izixs]

Everyone should have a federally-issued ID, as in Europe. And everyone should be automatically registered to vote at 18. End of story.

^^^^^

Heck yes. Its insane that we don't have such a set really.

[Torie]

As long as the ID's are legit, more power to them. I am in favor of ID laws, but it should be made easy and convenient to get them, and they should be free.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Everyone should have a federally-issued ID, as in Europe. And everyone should be automatically registered to vote at 18. End of story.

^^^^^

Heck yes. Its insane that we don't have such a set really.

Yes. And it is also insane that we don't have telescreens to help us exercise in the morning..and to assist us in our two minute hates. That's a compromise that liberals and conservatives can accept, right?

[Marokai Backbeat]

Everyone should have a federally-issued ID, as in Europe. And everyone should be automatically registered to vote at 18. End of story.

^^^^^

Heck yes. Its insane that we don't have such a set really.

[Napoleon]

Everyone should have a federally-issued ID, as in Europe. And everyone should be automatically registered to vote at 18. End of story.

^^^^^

Heck yes. Its insane that we don't have such a set really.

This is America. We do things our way. It doesn't need to make sense. Actually, its not supposed to make sense!

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Everyone should have a federally-issued ID, as in Europe. And everyone should be automatically registered to vote at 18. End of story.

^^^^^

Heck yes. Its insane that we don't have such a set really.

This is America. We do things our way. It doesn't need to make sense. Actually, its not supposed to make sense!

No what is ridiculous is that after for decades of being against mandatory government-issued ID, the Republicans are now in favor of mandating that people have them, but not that government be required to issue them.

[Vosem]

Everyone should have a federally-issued ID, as in Europe. And everyone should be automatically registered to vote at 18. End of story.

The second sentence applies, but you should only have an ID if you want one (though it should be made easy, free, and convenient to get), and universal registration should not equal mandatory voting.

[Spanish Moss]

Everyone should have a federally-issued ID, as in Europe. And everyone should be automatically registered to vote at 18. End of story.

The second sentence applies, but you should only have an ID if you want one (though it should be made easy, free, and convenient to get), and universal registration should not equal mandatory voting.

I've had it be argued to me before that we have mandatory voting... that would be terrible, and whomever is atop the ballot would have a nonsensical advantage, because those who don't care would just go in and choose quickly - the top probably being the most likely choice.

[Likely Voter]

As long as the ID's are legit, more power to them. I am in favor of ID laws, but it should be made easy and convenient to get them, and they should be free.

bolding for emphasis. ID laws are theoretically great but anything short of the easy and free standard is essentially a poll tax and therefore discriminatory, therefore creating disenfranchisement.  I'm sure that eventually even this Supreme Court will agree.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

If the whole ID thing is really about ONLY preventing voter fraud, I don't see how one could oppose this.

[old timey villain]

I have a theory. Maybe there are just as many conservatives in Europe as there are in America. But in Europe it's easier to register to vote and turnout is higher, which probably helps the more liberal parties. As a result, the conservatives also have to move to the left to appeal to the broader, left leaning electorate, which makes Europe more progressive than America.

So, maybe, is it possible that the US would be just as liberal if there were less restrictions that blocked left leaning groups from voting here?

[greenforest32]

Everyone should have a federally-issued ID, as in Europe. And everyone should be automatically registered to vote at 18. End of story.

^^^^^

Heck yes. Its insane that we don't have such a set really.

[Tender Branson]

Not everyone has a federally-issued ID in Europe. Maybe in Germany, where it is mandated to have one, but not here.

[Donerail]

Everyone should have a federally-issued ID, as in Europe. And everyone should be automatically registered to vote at 18. End of story.

^^^^^

Heck yes. Its insane that we don't have such a set really.

Yes. And it is also insane that we don't have telescreens to help us exercise in the morning..and to assist us in our two minute hates. That's a compromise that liberals and conservatives can accept, right?

[Insula Dei]

Everyone should have a federally-issued ID, as in Europe. And everyone should be automatically registered to vote at 18. End of story.

The second sentence applies, but you should only have an ID if you want one (though it should be made easy, free, and convenient to get), and universal registration should not equal mandatory voting.

I've had it be argued to me before that we have mandatory voting... that would be terrible, and whomever is atop the ballot would have a nonsensical advantage, because those who don't care would just go in and choose quickly - the top probably being the most likely choice.

We have mandatory voting and analysts estimate the bonus for the first list (i.e. the first one from the left of the ballot) to be under .5%.

Everyone should have a federally-issued ID, as in Europe. And everyone should be automatically registered to vote at 18. End of story.

^^^^^

Heck yes. Its insane that we don't have such a set really.

Yes. And it is also insane that we don't have telescreens to help us exercise in the morning..and to assist us in our two minute hates. That's a compromise that liberals and conservatives can accept, right?

...

[opebo]

...And everyone should be automatically registered to vote at 18. 

And required to vote.

[King]

Everyone should have a federally-issued ID, as in Europe. And everyone should be automatically registered to vote at 18. End of story.

But see, that's communism.  We need to have freedom to have a lengthy ID process.

[Craigo]

Australia has compulsory voting also, and the only paper that I've read on the subject there indicates that the bonus is 1%.

The literature is mixed when it comes to American elections, but generally the effect is at least as large here, and there's certainly no evidence that compulsory voting intensifies it.

[Debs Dewey]

As long as the ID's are legit, more power to them. I am in favor of ID laws, but it should be made easy and convenient to get them, and they should be free.

Would Romney call this idea as entitled and not being responsible by not thinking of the cost behind the idea?