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« on: September 24, 2012, 10:30:34 AM »

What if every country in the world was a state and all the current leaders were party nominees we'll say there is the left party and the right party plus a few smaller parties who don't really affect the elections but you have your typical Greens, Socialists, Conservatives and so on. Who would belong to which party and what nations would they win and if there was a primary who would win?
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« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2012, 03:59:25 PM »

I would imagine that there would be four major parties:

Liberal
Conservative
Socialist
Islamist

Perhaps a Communist party, a Libertarian party and a Fascist party too, but they wouldn't be considered major parties.

The Liberal Party is made up of social liberals, American liberals and European liberals (i.e. market liberals such as the FDP).

The Conservatives range from moderates such as Christian democrats in Europe, to American Republicans and the more right-wing Euroskeptic parties in Europe such as UKIP .
The Socialists are a coalition of the social democratic parties in Europe, Canada, Australia, etc and the more left-wing socialist parties in South America, Africa and Asia. Probably the various Green parties from all over the world too.

The Islamists are what the title suggests.


I would imagine that Barack Obama wins the Liberal Party's nomination fairly handily, and Angela Merkel just as easily in the Conservative Party. I'm really not sure what would happen with the Socialist and Islamist parties....maybe someone else could speculate on that one.
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« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2012, 04:22:30 PM »

Politics would be extremely regionalized. There would be tens of socialist parties, just counting the one that are serious in at least one 'state'. I've put a deal of thought into this...
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« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2012, 04:37:47 PM »

Obama would win in a landslide with the support of liberal and social-democrat parties, and even some conservative ones like CDU, the CP of UK and PSDB of Brazil.
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« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2012, 12:18:01 PM »

Socialists might nominate Sonia Gandhi.
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« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2012, 12:20:03 PM »

Heh. If Obama won, he would win, but ironically his "home" state would be one of his worst.  Likewise, Merkel would probably not even win her home state.

Of course, you must ask yourself what would happen in China. That's a lot of people whose political opinions we know little about.
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« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2012, 05:34:15 PM »
« Edited: September 28, 2012, 05:49:43 PM by Peternerdman »

You'd need a lot more parties.  
Conservatives: Led by Angela Merkel.  Would include virtually a European Conservatives, moderate US Republicans, Moderate Democrats, the Australian coalition, and most Latin American conservatives.  Likud would also be here.  So would the Japanese LDP, the Saeurni Party, etc.

Third Way "Social Democrats": Barack Obama.  Would include many US Democrats, the Blairites, the SPD's right-wing, and probably most of the ALP right.  

Market Liberals: Reinfeldt, maybe?  The Dutch VVD, the German FDP, the South African DA, and the Lib Dem right would be here.  So would Andrew Cuomo's type of Democrat, the right of the Liberal Party of Canada, etc.

Actual Social Democrats: Mulcair, Stoltenberg, Hollande (arguably, probably a Third-Wayer at this point), or maybe Bernie Sanders.  Basically all of the Canadian NDP, a bit over half in the British Labour Party besides the staunch Blairites, most of the French PS, some of the Italian PD, etc.  About half of the SPD might be here, too.  Some left-wing US Democrats, too.  

Social Liberals: Justin Trudeau or Francois Bayrou.  Some UK Liberal Democrats, some US Democrats, the left of the Canadian Liberals, etc.

Tea-Party Conservatives/Libertarians: Rick Santorum? The majority of US Republicans, The PvV of the Netherlands, UKIP, etc.  Possibly some Canadian "Reform" remnants and Wildrose people.  

White Nationalist/Neo-Nazis: Marine Le Pen.  This may not need a subdivision.  The British National Party, Katter's Australian Party, the Front National, etc.  

Left-ish Greens: Caroline Lucas.  The Green Party of the UK, most of the French one, most of the German one, the Australian and New Zealand ones, the American one, etc.

Right-ish Greens: Elizabeth May, Daniel Cohn-Bendit.  Green market-Liberals, consisting of the Green Party of Canada, bits of the Green Party of Germany and France, most of the South American Greens, etc, and the Swiss Green Liberals

Moderate Islamists: Recep Tayyip Erdogan.  Would probably include the AKP, Ennahda, the FJP in Egypt, etc.

Salafists: Emad Abdul Ghaffour.  Salafist Parties of the mid-East

Far-leftists: Either Alexis Tsipras or Nichi Vendola.  Not Chavez, he's too unpopular globally.  Most hodge-podge far-left parties in the world.  Might pick up some support among the NDP's extreme left (Libby Davies, maybe?) Might also be big among the Latin American far-left.  

Communists: The actual Communist Parties (besides the Chinese, North Korean, and Cuban ones). Possibly Kazuo Shii or Pierre Laurent.  Papariga is too insane. 
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« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2012, 06:13:08 PM »

I'd argue that some of the party organizing would be determined by the exact form of the world government as well as how the world government came about.

A parliament style legislative body would of course encourage during the first few decades a good deal of small parties that might over time congeal into larger parties, but that in the mean time are fine in their lose coalitions. While a body more akin to the the US system (hopefully sans electoral college... but it could be fun, if impractical to give all current countries electors) would probably lead to a few parties dominating, perhaps in regional patterns.

As for the other factor, if the world government came about via careful negotiation and little else, expect a good many parties to appear that actively support disillusionment of the government and who will not join a governing coalition that doesn't support that view. This can lead to problems as the rest of the pie might be very small  with no clear ideological based coalition really gaining the support it needs to carry out an agenda. Instead you might have a weird match up of globalist conservatives hanging out with international communists in a coalition just to hold the country together for a chance of enacting one of their agendas down the road.

On the other hand, if the world government was formed by force, there'd likely be a governing party for a while at least that either goes away by its own choice or the government is torn apart as the world revolts. Either way, a very unstable situation.

Another option is the world government formation caused by external threat. Perhaps it becomes obvious that in ten years 3 billion people will die from the effects of global warming unless we do something asap. Or perhaps we suddenly realize we have been noticed by an interstellar empire that might want to do nasty things to us. Or a series of smaller things push the world together in a similar fashion but less dramatically. In this case it might be very popular to be pro-world government as those against it will be labeled as wanting people to die. In which case normal-ish political concerns will take over after the primary crisis.

So, how does the world get to that world government and when its there, what does it look like?
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« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2012, 10:58:50 PM »
« Edited: September 29, 2012, 12:24:58 AM by Lief »

The Third World bloc would crush the West in any sort of democratic system. A left-wing populist party would win a strong plurality (at least), racking up the vote in South America, Africa and most of Asia.

I think what you would see is large international coalitions. I agree with Vosem, and a world parliament would likely have over a hundred different parties, arranged under the umbrellas of maybe five to ten different coalition parties. Then from those coalition parties you'd have governing coalitions.

List of potential parties:
Development and Justice Coalition: Coalition of populist parties from around the world. Includes many Communist parties.  Strongest in Latin America, Sub-Saharan Africa, India, China. Generally finds little support in non-developing countries. Stated goals include reforming the global economic system to ensure a more equitable distribution of wealth.
Islamic Republican People's Coalition: Moderate Islamist coalition. Centrist economic views, though its base in the Middle East means that it strikes a populist tone. Advocates decentralization on social issues. Strongest in the Islamic world, obviously, especially with middle class Muslims.
Muslim Brotherhood: Hardline Islamist coalition. Cordon sanitaire exists around them. The second party in the Islamic world, especially among the poorer classes. Also some support among ultra-conservative European Muslims, who otherwise don't support the Muslim parties.
Left Front: Pretty self-explanatory. Social democrats, center-left parties, labor parties, left-wing green parties. Despite being center-left and supporting increased worker rights, healthcare, etc., this coalition would generally be pretty conservative when it comes to the existing economic order, i.e. no support of radical wealth redistribution schemes. Most of its support would come from the developed world, though it would also be strong in places with a historically strong Marxist tradition, like Latin America or China.
Coalition for Liberty and Democracy: Your standard centrist/liberal coalition. Very liberal on social issues, supportive of the welfare state, but also staunch defenders of the post-war economic consensus and world economic order. Very little support in the developing world, except among businessmen and the like. Polls high in Europe, USA, Japan, and rich metropolitan areas in developing countries.
Christian Freedom Coalition: Right-wing Christian party. Holds no explicit position on economic issues due to diversity of its members but usually strikes a populist tone. Strongest in the United States, though it also finds support in Latin America and parts of Africa and with some right-wingers in Europe.
International Conservative Union: Conservative populist party. Economically center-right, favors some redistributionary international economic systemic reforms but through "business friendly" means, socially center-right. Includes some agrarian parties. Find most of their strength in the developed world, can also count on decent showings in the non-Islamic Third World.
Alliance for National Determination: Coalition of nationalist parties, federalist parties, some right-wing national parties that support less power for the international government and in extreme cases its abolition entirely. Support is distributed around the world but highest in developed countries.
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« Reply #9 on: September 29, 2012, 01:14:23 AM »
« Edited: September 29, 2012, 01:37:31 AM by 後援会 »

East Asia is almost certainly voting as a bloc. The West is simply so culturally progressive and alien that I do not think there is a place for the Asian center-left within a Western-dominated center-left coalition. The East Asian mainstream left, while typically being anti-American in foreign policy (not a big issue in a world government), shares very little else with the Western left. Besides the social aspects, even among the more left-wing segments of the political spectrum, there is usually an understanding, acknowledgement, and at worst neutrality towards the large role of corporations. I'm probably as socially liberal as normal people get, and even I find myself falling in with the most socially conservative wings of the Republican Party.

It's also interesting to note that the Latin American left is often very socially conservative and religious.

Also, the big elephant in the room is India. Why can't the Indian National Congress tell the coalitions to screw themselves and act like a Bloc Quebecoise-type party. Aka, we won't support any government that doesn't funnel craploads of money into India. And hell, why doesn't whatever Chinese party do the same?
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« Reply #10 on: October 11, 2012, 12:39:22 PM »

The world would be a communitarian's wet dream. Fiscally left with major social conservatism.
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« Reply #11 on: October 11, 2012, 01:02:46 PM »

For the record, I'm planning on developing a World Election game. Stay tuned.
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