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« on: September 28, 2012, 03:28:40 PM »

First of all, the NDAA (more accurately two specific section within the 2012 NDAA) is a kooky internet libertarian strawman attack on Obama, and it's disappointing when smart people fall for this nonsense. The bill is a gigantic defense department funding bill, which includes pay and healthcare costs for soldiers. No president is ever, ever going to veto that, especially over two provisions (in a massive, $700 billion bill) that don't really change the law and which won't be enforced. Acting like this bill was some proto-fascist power grab is ridiculous.

Second, for opponents of drone attacks, what else would you propose we do? I see three options: put soldiers on the ground, use drones, do nothing. The third is obviously not happening because we are a sovereign country and we have the right to defend ourselves and our people. If there is actionable, trustworthy intelligence, then we should kill or capture enemies. That's how being a country works. The long list of Al'Qaeda leaders killed in the last four years should make it clear that Obama isn't traipsing around the world blowing up whatever he wants, unlike his predecessor. Yes, there is unfortunately collateral damage and unfortunately innocent people die. But there is much less of both when you use drone attacks versus putting boots on the ground and invading a country (not to mention of course fewer American soldier deaths, which like it or not should be the U.S. president's first priority).
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« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2012, 10:48:46 PM »

Does someone want to answer what we should be doing instead of drone attacks?
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« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2012, 02:13:51 PM »

I do acknowledge that non-combatants have been killed? Obviously it's bad that innocent people are killed in drone attacks. But innocent people always die in wars, this is not some new thing that Obama has started. Every president has given orders that have led to the deaths of innocent people. But compared to his predecessor, Obama's method of fighting terrorist groups results in significantly fewer civilian casualties.
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