Based on the polls, will Obama supporters remember to vote?

[milhouse24]

Obama is a "cool media friendly" president that has created a "popularity stigma" primarily based on his personality than his policies or results.

Now by "popularity stigma" do you mean someone you leads in all the polls for weeks on end and crushed the last person that thought he could beat him by calling him a "celeberity?"  That kind of "stigma?"  At this stage in the race it looks like Obama is going to get "stigmatized" all the way into a second term.

Really, dude, why are you creating these threads?

If Obama is not winning because of his "popular persona" then why is he winning?

His 4 years have not been Overwhelmingly successful on any one topic. 
His policies have been more talk than action. 
The country has been in stagnation for the past 4 years. 

Just face it, Obama is winning based on his "Personality" and use of "celebrity media to win voters"
Its a successful tactic, and he has the million dollar smile to pull it off, and he should use it to all his advantage.
It seems that the media wants to support and prop up the exciting young politicians, than the Older, Boring, Experienced politicians over 60. 

milhouse I gave you objective facts and data points.  All you responded with is your misinformed unsupported opinion.  Every so often I start a hyper partisan thread... the difference is I have a quote and some objective unbiased information to back up my point.

Okay if you think Obama is a celebrity and that is why he has been at the top of the polls for weeks fine.  You are entitled to your opinion regardless of how baseless it is.  My question that I asked though is why are you starting these threads?  There is nothing for the rest of us to do here.  We are not discussing anything in an objective fashion.  You aren't offering up any objective unbiased independently corroborated facts.  It's just your random brain droppings.  Why don't you just put this stuff in a journal and save it for your memoir?

As I said, Obama is a "superficial celebrity candidate" and he should use it to secure victory.  Its really his only claim to fame.  He beat McCain, but I think it was due more to McCain's old age that was the primary reason for his lost and Obama's win.  Obama doesn't really have any other "successes" other than "things aren't great now, but they could be a lot worse."  When has "not sucking worse" been a good thing?  Its almost comical. 

Romney is an older, boring, analytical northeast candidate.  If Liberals think Democrats should win just because of liberal policies and Bill Clinton, then how come John Kerry lost?  Shouldn't a Democrat like John Kerry won if he was a longer-serving Senator and champion of liberal causes?  What is the difference between John Kerry and Barack Obama - its because Obama has created a Celebrity Caricature that transcends mundane politics and has entered into the mainstream Pop Culture and People Magazine crowd.  Obama got a lot of fairweather fans of first-time voters in 2008 to vote as part of a Pop Culture moment based on media pressure to join a historical movement.

I'm merely pointing out that Obama supporters are younger, flakey, and easily pressured.  These polls are inaccurate because the obama supporters are unreliable voters.  There is a lot of media pressure to support Obama, so these voters will tell pollsters they are voting for Obama, even though in reality they can care less.  They'll tell pollsters they are very excited about voting for Obama in 2012, just to look good under social pressure.  I wouldn't say its the Bradley effect just based on skin color, but I think its the Obama effect based on "Hollywood Celebrity pressure."  No one is going to say they don't like Tom Hanks, but will they buy all his movie tickets. 

I think the polls are accurate in reflecting "Pop Culture" but I believe that Obama voters are unreliable election day voters.  The election will be far closer than Liberals think.  The polls give liberals a chance to "misunderestimate" Romney. 

I think the election for a lot of "liberal swing voters" is based on "Personality" and I concede that Obama has a better "media friendly personality" than Romney.  I think this has to do with that he is in his Forties and significantly younger than other Senators and past Presidents, so he is more appealing to Media Savvy Television Producers.  Obama's sort of the Black version of JFK, a young good looking president, that captures the nation's affection. 

[opebo]

If Obama is not winning because of his "popular persona" then why is he winning?

Obviously because a very large percentage of the electorate despise Mitt Romney and the Republican Party (which destroyed the country in the first place).

A vote for Obama is still a vote against the horrific status quo of neo-liberal capitalism (even if only in spirit), milhouse.

[Lief 🗽]

Barack Obama's "claim to fame" is that he rescued the United States economy, reinvigorated the American auto industry, and ordered the mission that killed Osama bin Laden. Stop it with this nonsense. People are not voting for Obama because he's a cool black JFK. They're voting for him because the Republican party and its standard bearer are repugnant and hold most of the country in disdain, and at the end of the day Obama is a hard-working guy who's generally done the best anyone could do and they trust him to keep working to make their lives better.

[milhouse24]

If Obama is not winning because of his "popular persona" then why is he winning?

Obviously because a very large percentage of the electorate despise Mitt Romney and the Republican Party (which destroyed the country in the first place).

A vote for Obama is still a vote against the horrific status quo of neo-liberal capitalism (even if only in spirit), milhouse.

Then you agree that Obama is winning not because of his "overwhelming successes" but because of other factors. 

Let me ask you this, based on the economy, would a bland generic opponent Republican/Libertarian/etc.  been able to defeat Obama in 2012?  I think according to polls, it would have been very close between Obama versus TBA

[milhouse24]

Barack Obama's "claim to fame" is that he rescued the United States economy, reinvigorated the American auto industry, and ordered the mission that killed Osama bin Laden. Stop it with this nonsense. People are not voting for Obama because he's a cool black JFK. They're voting for him because the Republican party and its standard bearer are repugnant and hold most of the country in disdain, and at the end of the day Obama is a hard-working guy who's generally done the best anyone could do and they trust him to keep working to make their lives better.

Its nice to know you think that the other 47% of Republican voters in this country are scum.  You're awesome! 

I'm so glad Obama's claim to fame is "things didn't get worse, they're just not getting better" 
I just love mediocrity, and so can you!

[opebo]

Then you agree that Obama is winning not because of his "overwhelming successes" but because of other factors. 

Let me ask you this, based on the economy, would a bland generic opponent Republican/Libertarian/etc.  been able to defeat Obama in 2012?  I think according to polls, it would have been very close between Obama versus TBA

No, milhouse, it is your party and policies which are poison.  Neo-liberalism destroyed America, only socialism can save it (I realize we aren't actually getting socialism by voting D, the point is people have no otehr choice, D is the best they can do). 

About his 'overwhelming successes', you have to view them this way - he is like a man laboring heroically in a leper colony or in a disaster area after a hurricane: his efforts will never make things as they were before the horrible event (neo-liberal capitalism) occurred, they'll just assuage the suffering and decline. 

[Lief 🗽]

Barack Obama's "claim to fame" is that he rescued the United States economy, reinvigorated the American auto industry, and ordered the mission that killed Osama bin Laden. Stop it with this nonsense. People are not voting for Obama because he's a cool black JFK. They're voting for him because the Republican party and its standard bearer are repugnant and hold most of the country in disdain, and at the end of the day Obama is a hard-working guy who's generally done the best anyone could do and they trust him to keep working to make their lives better.

Its nice to know you think that the other 47% of Republican voters in this country are scum.  You're awesome! 

I'm so glad Obama's claim to fame is "things didn't get worse, they're just not getting better" 
I just love mediocrity, and so can you!

When did I say Republican voters are scum? Certainly many of them are, as they base their votes on racism and hatred, but not all of them.

And again, the economy is improving. Get out of the Fox News bubble and read actual news and you'll see that on every economic metric, the United States economy is strengthening.

[Politico]

Barack Obama's "claim to fame" is that he rescued the United States economy, reinvigorated the American auto industry, and ordered the mission that killed Osama bin Laden. Stop it with this nonsense. People are not voting for Obama because he's a cool black JFK. They're voting for him because the Republican party and its standard bearer are repugnant and hold most of the country in disdain, and at the end of the day Obama is a hard-working guy who's generally done the best anyone could do and they trust him to keep working to make their lives better.

Its nice to know you think that the other 47% of Republican voters in this country are scum.  You're awesome!  

I'm so glad Obama's claim to fame is "things didn't get worse, they're just not getting better"  
I just love mediocrity, and so can you!

In Obama's America, "D" and "C" grades have been inflated to "A" grades. It's sickening watching the Europafication of America.

[Politico]

Barack Obama's "claim to fame" is that he rescued the United States economy, reinvigorated the American auto industry, and ordered the mission that killed Osama bin Laden. Stop it with this nonsense. People are not voting for Obama because he's a cool black JFK. They're voting for him because the Republican party and its standard bearer are repugnant and hold most of the country in disdain, and at the end of the day Obama is a hard-working guy who's generally done the best anyone could do and they trust him to keep working to make their lives better.

Its nice to know you think that the other 47% of Republican voters in this country are scum.  You're awesome!  

I'm so glad Obama's claim to fame is "things didn't get worse, they're just not getting better"  
I just love mediocrity, and so can you!

When did I say Republican voters are scum? Certainly many of them are, as they base their votes on racism and hatred, but not all of them.

And again, the economy is improving. Get out of the Fox News bubble and read actual news and you'll see that on every economic metric, the United States economy is strengthening.

Job growth has not kept pace with population growth for ALMOST HALF A DECADE. You're clinging to 8% unemployment, literally tens of millions who have hopelessly given up on looking for a job, and perpetual trillion dollar deficits that are made in China.

[All Along The Watchtower]

Wait, what?  Is this post from a timewarp from spring '09 when Obama was popular?  2012 Obama is, simply put, not that guy.

Indeed, if anything the Obama voters feel a greater sense of urgency about this election than the not-Obama voters.

[Zioneer]

Barack Obama's "claim to fame" is that he rescued the United States economy, reinvigorated the American auto industry, and ordered the mission that killed Osama bin Laden. Stop it with this nonsense. People are not voting for Obama because he's a cool black JFK. They're voting for him because the Republican party and its standard bearer are repugnant and hold most of the country in disdain, and at the end of the day Obama is a hard-working guy who's generally done the best anyone could do and they trust him to keep working to make their lives better.

Its nice to know you think that the other 47% of Republican voters in this country are scum.  You're awesome!  

I'm so glad Obama's claim to fame is "things didn't get worse, they're just not getting better"  
I just love mediocrity, and so can you!

In Obama's America, "D" grades have been inflated to "A" grades. It's sickening watching the Europafication of America.

Stop with the idiotic talking points. It's getting tiresome.

[stegosaurus]

While it has absolutely nothing to do with Obama's "celebrity", the President's core groups are more likely to flake out on election day than Romney's.

[Politico]

While it has absolutely nothing to do with Obama's "celebrity", the President's core groups are more likely to flake out on election day than Romney's.

Even Obama's side concedes as much:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=og35U0d6WKY

[opebo]

In Obama's America, "D" and "C" grades have been inflated to "A" grades. It's sickening watching the Europafication of America.

This is slightly off topic, but not entirely - are you aware that America is the land of actual grade inflation?  Europeans are always shocked at American grading practiced in universities and secondary schools - in Europe it is the norm for many students to be failed or given Ds (or the equivalent), and to earn the equivalent of a B is extremely difficult.  Finally, As are as rare as hen's teeth.

Europe is both the land of strict grading and meritocracy.  The US is the shoddy place.

[Phony Moderate]

I know polls were much less accurate back then, but I'm pretty sure that FDR was underestimated in both 1940 and 1944.

[Iosif]

It's a little sad that Republicans have resorted to hoping people don't vote.

[opebo]

It's a little sad that Republicans have resorted to hoping people don't vote.

That's what they always do, Iosif, and they even try to ban them from voting if they are black, Hispanic, or poor - so its not as if they only just now 'resorted' to this - it is their standard practice.