SENATE BILL: Election Do-Over Act (Vetoed, Not Overriden)

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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Sponsor: HagridoftheDeep

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Running out of none Marokai bills, which will leave the Clogging provision dormant. So we may see a situation where all of the bills on the floor or close to is his crap.


Hagrid, you have 24 hours to explain this.

[Napoleon]

I have some to say on this bill but will yield until Senator Hagrid has an opportunity to advocate on its behalf and make clear his intent.

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

I'm prone to support this bill, but I would like the President to explain why he feels this is unconstitutional.

[Napoleon]

I'm prone to support this bill, but I would like the President to explain why he feels this is unconstitutional.

I already did.

If you didn't catch it, I can explain it after we hear from Senator Hagrid.

[Marokai Backbeat]

Even leaving aside the potential unconstitutionality here, I think there are more elegant solutions to the problem this is trying to solve.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Uh-oh, Hagrid got about 5 mintues or its the principals office for this.

[HagridOfTheDeep]

I am so sorry for my little absence here. I'm usually able to post so often because I keep putting off my actual school work... obviously that strategy blows up when the work is due.

Basically, I'm completely aware that, as it stands, this bill probably wouldn't hold up under a constitutional challenge. However, I'm inclined to believe that we really need a way to make sure mistakes like the one our SoFE made can actually be fixed. This bill proposes one suggestion, but I'm very open to hearing others.

I know the president issued an executive order that would, in theory, prevent situations like this from happening again... but I don't believe it will be totally effective. Maybe he will enforce it under his administration, but there's no way to be sure that other presidents will. Punishment for violating an executive order is at the discretion of the president, and the most that can happen is getting fired. So if the SoFE refused to post an early ballot and made a mistake with the final version in the Voting Booth, there still wouldn't be a way to fix the problem.

That's why I think we need a reactionary response, not a preventative action. And if we do use a preventative action, I want it to be codified in law, not an executive order.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Obligatory Motion to Table, to illustrate this means business. Since the perpetrator responded so soon after the violation became effective, no seconds will be necessary.

Even leaving aside the potential unconstitutionality here, I think there are more elegant solutions to the problem this is trying to solve.

Mind sharing?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Why is no one talking here?

[HagridOfTheDeep]

I didn't really get what you meant by the obligatory motion to table... Sorry, but I'm still not familiar with all these procedures.

Also, I'm waiting on some of Marokia's suggestions.

If I were to change this to an amendment, could it be done in the same thread? Also, can the title be amended, or would that imply scrapping the legislation altogether and starting from scratch (only because whatever changes we make might not even involve an election do-over)?

[Marokai Backbeat]

Obligatory Motion to Table, to illustrate this means business. Since the perpetrator responded so soon after the violation became effective, no seconds will be necessary.

Even leaving aside the potential unconstitutionality here, I think there are more elegant solutions to the problem this is trying to solve.

Mind sharing?

By "elegant" solution, I mean a non-Senate related one. I think Napoleon's executive order mandating a ballot be made 24 hours+ before the election is opened will help prevent ballot mistakes, I don't think mandating election restarts is something we should get into the habit of doing, a lot of voters find it annoying enough voting once.

[Sbane]

So is Napoleon's executive action enough to ensure the ballot is put up 24 hours before the vote all the time or should we pass a law just to be safe? This particular bill is not necessary.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I didn't really get what you meant by the obligatory motion to table... Sorry, but I'm still not familiar with all these procedures.

Also, I'm waiting on some of Marokia's suggestions.

If I were to change this to an amendment, could it be done in the same thread? Also, can the title be amended, or would that imply scrapping the legislation altogether and starting from scratch (only because whatever changes we make might not even involve an election do-over)?

At the start of each bill, I give 24 hours for the sponsor to speak about the bill in substance ( popping in and talking some nonsense won't suffice). When that gets blown past, I motion to table. It is baked into the pie. Whether or not someone else seconds is dependent on how fast sponsor gets his sh**t together. Since yours was just a few hours later, I requested that no one second it. Of course, someone still could as a dillatory tactic, but I have a solution for that too, if we ever come to that.


Remember, Marokai amended his Kill the SoIA bill into an Amendment to the Constitution. Yes titles can be amended.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Well what is the story here? Is it going to be amended, or is this done?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

No answer will cause me to motion to table when I get on tonight.

[HagridOfTheDeep]

The president never explained why he thought it was unconstitutional. My reading of the constitution leads me to believe that the senate does have the power to allow for do-overs:

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While earlier sections of the constitution do stipulate the date and time of elections, the constitution itself seems to negate those specifics in the above section. If "the exact time at which a given election or vote shall begin may be determined by the voting booth administrator subject to such restrictions as may be imposed by law," it seems to me that this bill would be a suitable restriction. I'd be interested in hearing the president's thoughts.

Sbane, I don't believe the executive order does enough: It is not legally binding. If homely didn't post the ballot ahead of time, the president could choose to fire homely over it or the president could do nothing at all. Napoleon would certainly take action, but a future president who's unfamiliar with his executive order might not, and then there'd still be no way of fixing the election error.

Do people not see the need for this bill?

Also, do y'all believe this really needs to become an amendment?

I kind of want to hear everyone out before I "amend it to an amendment," because the legislation will be significantly more difficult to pass in that state.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Hagrid, we can't stay here forever. What is it going to be?

[HagridOfTheDeep]

Well, no one is saying anything. And at this rate, I doubt we'd even get seven people in here to vote, let alone vote "aye." So making it an amendment seems futile.

When is the soonest this bill could be brought to a final vote in its current form? I still want something like this to pass, and if the Court finds it unconstitutional, so be it. It'll give them something to do. Or the bill just might not pass to begin with. Either way, I'd like to give it a chance.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Just ask for it, I doubt someone will talk about the contents of this bill prior to me seeing your request, considering how little people have been concerned with it.

[HagridOfTheDeep]

All right then. Consider it asked for.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Senators, this bill is now at final vote, please vote Aye, Nay, or Abstain.

[Franzl]

Abstain

[Sbane]

Aye

[HagridOfTheDeep]

Aye