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« on: October 03, 2012, 09:36:31 PM »

After tonight's disastrous debate? Those zingers really did a lot of damage to the President
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« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2012, 09:40:29 PM »

Are you really young or trolling?
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« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2012, 09:41:55 PM »

He can recover in the next two debates, but this is a blow to the president.
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« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2012, 09:42:26 PM »

He just needs to have a cup of coffee before the next two debates.
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« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2012, 09:43:19 PM »

Of course. The debate wasn't great, but it wasn't a mortal blow or anything. I predict slight movement towards Romney.
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« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2012, 09:44:37 PM »

I'm pretty sure he's joking, friends.
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« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2012, 09:56:43 PM »

Obama doesnt like debates.
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« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2012, 10:02:02 PM »

We know Obama has a hard ceiling at 48 or 49, but events like this threaten to weaken his floor.  The bottom could fall out with this type of loss.  The Tie will go to Romney because the economy is so bad.  Romney is acceptable and competent and Obama isn't going to be able to hide that reality anymore.  GAME CHANGER!
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« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2012, 10:27:32 PM »

We know Obama has a hard ceiling at 48 or 49, but events like this threaten to weaken his floor.  The bottom could fall out with this type of loss.  The Tie will go to Romney because the economy is so bad.  Romney is acceptable and competent and Obama isn't going to be able to hide that reality anymore.  GAME CHANGER!

According what polls?
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« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2012, 10:45:54 PM »

After tonight's disastrous debate? Those zingers really did a lot of damage to the President

What "zingers"?

Romney gets a point for tonight, but it was not "disastrous" for Obama by any means.
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« Reply #10 on: October 04, 2012, 12:34:03 AM »

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Obama's public perception that he's an intelligent president took a huge hit today. When Romney wipes the floor with you, that says everything.
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« Reply #11 on: October 04, 2012, 01:12:16 AM »

We should take this for what it's worth, but the Intrade odds have already stabilized, at least for now.
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« Reply #12 on: October 04, 2012, 01:13:56 AM »

Yes, of course. It was one debate...
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« Reply #13 on: October 04, 2012, 01:48:04 AM »
« Edited: October 04, 2012, 01:50:40 AM by Skill and Chance »

Of course he can.  At worst, this is has the inverse effect of the 47% comment.  And there are 3 more debates left.  As many here have pointed out, the incumbent almost always loses the 1st debate.  G.W. Bush and even Reagan did.  Clinton-Dole was the only recent one that didn't go this way.
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« Reply #14 on: October 04, 2012, 01:56:01 AM »

There's still two debates left, but I can't decide if either the first debate is more important (taking into account the folks who make their decision based off of the headlines after one debate) or if the third one is (taking into account the fact that it's basically last chance for both candidates to make their cases).  Nevertheless, I think there's still time.
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« Reply #15 on: October 04, 2012, 01:57:48 AM »

Look at the CNN numbers. 67-25 is not like any recent incumbent loss in the 1st debate, except for 1992. It's unusually lopsided. Yes, Obama can recover, but this debate was worse than Bush-Kerry or Reagan-Mondale.
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« Reply #16 on: October 04, 2012, 02:02:21 AM »
« Edited: October 04, 2012, 02:06:02 AM by Politico »

We know Obama has a hard ceiling at 48 or 49, but events like this threaten to weaken his floor.  The bottom could fall out with this type of loss.  The Tie will go to Romney because the economy is so bad.  Romney is acceptable and competent and Obama isn't going to be able to hide that reality anymore.  GAME CHANGER!

This.

Obama is in a world of trouble, as I predicted. He failed to show that Romney is the risky monster all of his ads and surrogates have been claiming for weeks. The president has a growing credibility gap as a result (unless he can manage to sell people in the next debate on this caricature they painted of Romney). America is probably just going to tune out anything else Obama and Co. say about Romney, and just listen to Romney while he continues to shine.

I told you guys they were keeping the real Romney under-wraps for October. It really doesn't matter how many times you knock down your opponent if he keeps getting back up, and eventually knocks you out.
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« Reply #17 on: October 04, 2012, 02:07:00 AM »

Look at the CNN numbers. 67-25 is not like any recent incumbent loss in the 1st debate, except for 1992. It's unusually lopsided. Yes, Obama can recover, but this debate was worse than Bush-Kerry or Reagan-Mondale.

Furthermore, CNN did a focus group study among undecided voters in Colorado. Their verdict: Romney over Obama by 16-5.
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« Reply #18 on: October 04, 2012, 02:09:27 AM »
« Edited: October 04, 2012, 02:17:10 AM by 5280 »

Look at the CNN numbers. 67-25 is not like any recent incumbent loss in the 1st debate, except for 1992. It's unusually lopsided. Yes, Obama can recover, but this debate was worse than Bush-Kerry or Reagan-Mondale.

Furthermore, CNN did a focus group study among undecided voters in Colorado. Their verdict: Romney over Obama by 16-5.
Obama is going to lose his slight lead in CO, it will be a virtual tie before the election. Romney already campaigned in CO twice within a week, Ryan did two stops this week and Ann Romney did a stop today in Littleton which is a total of 5.  That should rally up the base and undecided voters.
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« Reply #19 on: October 04, 2012, 02:12:55 AM »

Look at the CNN numbers. 67-25 is not like any recent incumbent loss in the 1st debate, except for 1992. It's unusually lopsided. Yes, Obama can recover, but this debate was worse than Bush-Kerry or Reagan-Mondale.

Furthermore, CNN did a focus group study among undecided voters in Colorado. Their verdict: Romney over Obama by 16-5.

On the other hand, in the CNN poll internals-

- Romney's favorability pre-debate was +12 when the average is -2 or so.
 
- They polled more men than women.
 
- They polled more 65+ voters than 50-64 voters, when there are way more 50-64 voters (27% to 16% in the '08 exit poll).
 
- And doing some quick reverse margin of error calculations, the sample is something like 85-90% white
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« Reply #20 on: October 04, 2012, 02:14:34 AM »

Politico, whenever you you post, I imagine a poll trendline of Romney's percentage that shoots infinitely up, well above 100% at this point, based on your weird counterfactual analysis-world.  It just piles on and on.  And "Keep the real Romney under wraps until October" - good lord.
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« Reply #21 on: October 04, 2012, 02:15:27 AM »

Look at the CNN numbers. 67-25 is not like any recent incumbent loss in the 1st debate, except for 1992. It's unusually lopsided. Yes, Obama can recover, but this debate was worse than Bush-Kerry or Reagan-Mondale.

Furthermore, CNN did a focus group study among undecided voters in Colorado. Their verdict: Romney over Obama by 16-5.

Considering Romney's polling position right now, you understand that taking the undecideds unanimously is a prerequisite, not a bonus for him, right?
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« Reply #22 on: October 04, 2012, 02:17:32 AM »

Oh, great. Just at the time when I was starting to stop worrying about the race and start feeling genuinely optimistic, turns out Romney somehow "won" the debate. My brain says he can't gain more than 2-3 points out of these and most realistically will gain 1-2, but my guts feel bad.

Antonio's Single Rule of Elections: Always expect the worse from voters.
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« Reply #23 on: October 04, 2012, 02:19:13 AM »

Is the OP the same idiot who keeps suggesting Andrew Cuomo as the next Senate majority leader?
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« Reply #24 on: October 04, 2012, 02:19:51 AM »

What's up with all the unenthusiastic Obama suppoters?  I thought you were all behind his back, you guys have more confidence than this.
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