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« on: October 03, 2012, 10:54:06 pm »
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CNN/ORC poll: 67% of those responding said Mitt Romney won the first presidential debate; 25% said President Obama won.

http://www.cnn.com/

Standard caveats on "snap polls" apply! Smiley
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« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2012, 11:00:58 pm »
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Dominating.
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« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2012, 11:45:51 pm »
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Anyone else ever notice how Vorlon only slithers out of his bunker on good days for his candidates?
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« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2012, 11:47:10 pm »
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America wants a fighter, not someone who wants to compromise with everyone.
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« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2012, 11:48:05 pm »
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I think every Dem knows Romney won this debate. Too bad for him he very well might meet the same fate as Kerry, the type of election we've expected all along.
 
http://articles.cnn.com/2004-10-03/politics/election.poll_1_post-debate-poll-kerry-and-bush-bush-post-convention?_s=PM:ALLPOLITICS
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« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2012, 12:19:47 am »
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Obama wasn't that bad, nor was Romney that good... but congrats to the Romney campaign, they finally did something right...
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« Reply #6 on: October 04, 2012, 12:46:03 am »
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Anyone else ever notice how Vorlon only slithers out of his bunker on good days for his candidates?

Truth hurts, doesn't it? Smiley
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« Reply #7 on: October 04, 2012, 12:59:48 am »
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If Romney ends up closing the gap and winning, this forum after election day is going to be wildly entertaining. Literally the only Romney supporters we have here are like a gay atheist lawyer who smokes pot, a couple of fifteen years olds, and a few trolls. Versus literally everyone else. An absolutely insane dynamic.
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« Reply #8 on: October 04, 2012, 01:06:53 am »
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If Romney ends up closing the gap and winning, this forum after election day is going to be wildly entertaining. Literally the only Romney supporters we have here are like a gay atheist lawyer who smokes pot, a couple of fifteen years olds, and a few trolls. Versus literally everyone else. An absolutely insane dynamic.

Wait, Torie is a gay atheist pot smoker? The More You Know!
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« Reply #9 on: October 04, 2012, 01:07:59 am »
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If Romney ends up closing the gap and winning, this forum after election day is going to be wildly entertaining. Literally the only Romney supporters we have here are like a gay atheist lawyer who smokes pot, a couple of fifteen years olds, and a few trolls. Versus literally everyone else. An absolutely insane dynamic.

It would show how much out of touch most of you are.  Smiley
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« Reply #10 on: October 04, 2012, 01:14:21 am »
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Anyone else ever notice how Vorlon only slithers out of his bunker on good days for his candidates?

Somebody sounds bitter...
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« Reply #11 on: October 04, 2012, 01:20:41 am »
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Anyone else ever notice how Vorlon only slithers out of his bunker on good days for his candidates?

Somebody sounds bitter...

Hehe, nope, you aren't gonna see me disappear until Obama's next good day. I'll be here rain or shine.
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« Reply #12 on: October 04, 2012, 01:25:04 am »
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Literally the only Romney supporters we have here are like a gay atheist lawyer who smokes pot, a couple of fifteen years olds, and a few trolls. Versus literally everyone else. An absolutely insane dynamic.

Heh, I don't know what would be more amusing, a Romney narrow win or an Obama blowout. I'm just enjoying my popcorn.
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« Reply #13 on: October 04, 2012, 01:57:29 am »
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America wants a fighter, [the right results] not someone who wants to compromise with everyone. [more of the same]

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« Reply #14 on: October 04, 2012, 01:59:16 am »
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If Romney ends up closing the gap and winning, this forum after election day is going to be wildly entertaining. Literally the only Romney supporters we have here are like a gay atheist lawyer who smokes pot, a couple of fifteen years olds, [a disillusioned Democrat]and a few trolls. Versus literally everyone else. An absolutely insane dynamic.

Fixed.
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« Reply #15 on: October 04, 2012, 02:06:25 am »
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Politico, how much dopamine do you think your brain releases when people respond to your posts?
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« Reply #16 on: October 04, 2012, 08:15:05 am »
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Has anyone else looked at the internals of this poll?

Some groups missing from the internals because they were too small for crosstab analysis (which means less than 68 generally speaking, per group):

-Liberals
-People under 50 years of age
-People who didn't go to college
-Non-Whites
-Northeastern, Western, and Midwestern residents

However, the clearest red flag is that, pre debate, Romney had a 54% favorable rating, five points higher than Obama's pre debate rating (49%)... that seems like a pretty clear outlier.


Now, I'm not saying Obama won the debate... I personally think he got his ass kicked. I will say that this poll seems likely to overestimate the ass-kicking.
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« Reply #17 on: October 04, 2012, 08:17:01 am »
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This thread is unnecessary and should be deleted. This was already posted several times in the actual debate thread.
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« Reply #18 on: October 04, 2012, 08:22:35 am »
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Unfortunately for Romney, the unfavorable/favorable numbers for both candidates stayed the same. What some Romney supporters are missing is that some in the poll being honest about the debate outcome does not necessarily equal a whole lot of change in opinion. Much of the vote is locked in right now.
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« Reply #19 on: October 04, 2012, 08:48:52 am »
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Unfortunately for Romney, the unfavorable/favorable numbers for both candidates stayed the same. What some Romney supporters are missing is that some in the poll being honest about the debate outcome does not necessarily equal a whole lot of change in opinion. Much of the vote is locked in right now.

This is the key question: What actual effect will it have on the numbers? The key determinative of that is what kind of sustainable momentum this creates for Romney to counteract the narrative of his being a near-sure loser in November. The jobs report may have an effect here. If the numbers are perceived as good for Obama, that will likely staunch any serious effect on the numbers. If the numbers are poor or even just middling, that may very well add fuel to the spark Romney lit last night.

Regardless it seems Romney accomplished mission #1: Proved that at least for now, the race isn't over yet. Obama must be kicking himself this morning; all he needed was a perceived tie and the election would've been essentially over as of this morning barring mega-gaffe/crisis/deus ex machina.
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« Reply #20 on: October 04, 2012, 08:55:11 am »
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Unfortunately for Romney, the unfavorable/favorable numbers for both candidates stayed the same. What some Romney supporters are missing is that some in the poll being honest about the debate outcome does not necessarily equal a whole lot of change in opinion. Much of the vote is locked in right now.

Yeah, me and the pundits on MSNBC saying Romney won the debate aren't going to go vote for him.
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« Reply #21 on: October 04, 2012, 09:42:03 am »
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Unfortunately for Romney, the unfavorable/favorable numbers for both candidates stayed the same. What some Romney supporters are missing is that some in the poll being honest about the debate outcome does not necessarily equal a whole lot of change in opinion. Much of the vote is locked in right now.

Yeah, me and the pundits on MSNBC saying Romney won the debate aren't going to go vote for him.

Those same pundits, if they are old enough, voted for McGovern, Carter, Mondale and Dukakis, so you're not saying much...
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« Reply #22 on: October 04, 2012, 01:29:41 pm »
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If Romney ends up closing the gap and winning, this forum after election day is going to be wildly entertaining. Literally the only Romney supporters we have here are like a gay atheist lawyer who smokes pot, a couple of fifteen years olds, and a few trolls. Versus literally everyone else. An absolutely insane dynamic.

Torie's gay?
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« Reply #23 on: October 05, 2012, 08:07:37 pm »
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I love how about 60% of the discussion on this thread is Torie's sexuality.
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« Reply #24 on: October 05, 2012, 10:35:14 pm »
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Unfortunately for Romney, the unfavorable/favorable numbers for both candidates stayed the same. What some Romney supporters are missing is that some in the poll being honest about the debate outcome does not necessarily equal a whole lot of change in opinion. Much of the vote is locked in right now.

Ah, where are those post debate numbers?

I will agree that we have to wait to see the effect.  I don't expect Romney 67%, Obama 25% in any head to head poll.
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