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Antonio the Sixth
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« on: October 04, 2012, 08:09:50 PM »
This might be the first time than I and Fab support the same candidate. Wink Not that I have a very high esteem for Fillon, but Copé is... what he is. If Hollande is to lose in 2017, I'd rather have him lose against Fillon.

Anyways, good to see there will be something else to follow shortly after the US election cycle is over.
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2012, 02:58:54 PM »
We need the number among the UMP electorate (ideally among actual members, if not at least sympathizers). Otherwise I think that's pretty meaningless.
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2012, 07:57:02 PM »
Oh God, this is crazy.

I still hope Fillon eeks this out. The slightly increased possibility of winning in 2017 due to facing Copé are far outweighed by the prospect of Copé actually winning, IMO.
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Antonio the Sixth
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E: -7.87, S: -3.83

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« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2012, 08:22:15 PM »
Quote from: big bad fab on November 18, 2012, 08:03:02 PM
I'm fed up with this country... Sad
I'm desperately SAD tonight. To the point I haven't even cried.

As always, the inconsiderate, the bad-mannered, the cheeky, the vulgar, the stupid people will win.
BLEH.

See, I usually disagree with you but now I perfectly understand what you feel. And that's not just because Fillon is closer to my views than Copé. They indeed embody two completely different mindsets and two visions on what a modern right should be. I probably wouldn't vote for any of them, but I have infinitely more respect for people like Fillon, Juppé, Le Maire, etc. than for the rising clique of smug demagogues flourishing under Sarkozy and now Copé.
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Antonio the Sixth
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E: -7.87, S: -3.83

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« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2012, 08:40:01 PM »
Well, it's a fight worth fighting. I can't even imagine what an UMP under Copé could be like...

For electoral prospects, don't worry too much: rejection of the socialist government should be enough to keep the UMP afloat and give it a fair chance to win, even with Copé&friends. But is it a party you would want to win?
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Antonio the Sixth
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E: -7.87, S: -3.83

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« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2012, 08:33:44 PM »
Absolutely disheartening news. Let's brace ourselves, because I'm pretty sure the political discourse in France will start to physically hurt, soon. By 2016, I'll probably be praying for Sarkozy's return.



Because some people understand that politics are about picking the lesser evil even when the lesser evil sucks. Wink
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Antonio the Sixth
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E: -7.87, S: -3.83

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« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2012, 06:59:21 PM »
Quote from: MrMittens on November 20, 2012, 02:40:54 PM
Copé! The French Right at last has a leader to be proud of Smiley

Because a US Republican can sure be proud of his party right now.
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Antonio the Sixth
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E: -7.87, S: -3.83

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« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2012, 12:20:43 AM »
Sarkozy won't be back. French journalists love these kinds of hypotheticals, but that just won't happen.

(and no, that's not wishful thinking, because Copé is actually an even more despicable individual than Sarkozy)
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Antonio the Sixth
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E: -7.87, S: -3.83

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« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2012, 08:58:01 PM »
OH MY F**KING GOD.

I can't believe they did this for real.

Is there any hope left for Fillon?
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Antonio the Sixth
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

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« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2012, 09:43:05 PM »
Quote from: Hashemite on November 21, 2012, 09:37:34 PM
Quote from: Californian Tony on November 21, 2012, 08:58:01 PM
OH MY F**KING GOD.

I can't believe they did this for real.

Is there any hope left for Fillon?

Fillon has said he doesn't want to be president anymore; I think he realized that they're both damaged goods by now (Jeff probably moreso because he's pissed off half the party) but his goal now is to oust Jeff.

BBF; if you read this thread - un lien vers l'ensemble des résultats par fédé? Ce parti de merde n'est même pas capable produire les résultats officiels par fédération!

Yeah, I should have said "Is there any hope left to kick Copé's slimy ass?". Juppé or whoever else takes the spot would be a major improvement.
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Antonio the Sixth
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E: -7.87, S: -3.83

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« Reply #10 on: November 22, 2012, 03:34:48 PM »
Copé is an utterly disgusting individual. I have absolutely loathed him with all my passion from the first time I heard him speak.

I would never have imagined I would get so involved in a UMP election, but now this is a moral issue. We need him out, and I hope Fillon will have the balls to do all that's necessary to reach that goal.
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Antonio the Sixth
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E: -7.87, S: -3.83

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« Reply #11 on: November 23, 2012, 01:53:45 PM »
Quote from: Andrea on November 23, 2012, 06:40:39 AM
The mouvements results were


La Droite Forte - Génération France forte 2017 27.77 %

La Droite sociale avec Laurent Wauquiez 21.69 %

France Moderne et Humaniste 18.17 %

Le Gaullisme, voie d'avenir pour la France 12.31 %

La Droite Populaire 10.87 %

La Boîte à idées, la motion anti divisions! 9.19 %

It's not clear if they counted Mayotte and co votes here though!

Unsurprisingly, the motion I would have supported came last.
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Antonio the Sixth
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E: -7.87, S: -3.83

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« Reply #12 on: November 23, 2012, 01:55:26 PM »
Anyways, I really hope Fillon has the guts to do what is needed and leave the party if Copé is resolved to steal the election. If the sane right doesn't react now, they are doomed to oblivion.
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Antonio the Sixth
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E: -7.87, S: -3.83

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« Reply #13 on: November 23, 2012, 10:28:27 PM »
"France Moderne et Humaniste" won Alpes-Maritimes? LOL. Must be some local baron, I guess.

I hope Fabien gives us an analysis of this as well, when things will be a bit more settled.
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Antonio the Sixth
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #14 on: November 23, 2012, 11:36:45 PM »
Quote from: drj101 on November 23, 2012, 10:32:45 PM
Quote from: Californian Tony on November 23, 2012, 10:28:27 PM
"France Moderne et Humaniste" won Alpes-Maritimes? LOL. Must be some local baron, I guess.

The results seem all over the place to me, which probably means a bunch of local factors at play. There were some areas where one motion would get 40% in one department and 10% in all the ones surrounding it. The funniest thing to me was that Le Gaullisme won 75% in Mayotte, the highest of any motion anywhere.

Yeah, intra-party maps in France are always messy and silly. Support from some local guy can give a 50 points boost, between actual votes and "little helps".

Vaucluse, however, doesn't surprise me at all. Grin
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Antonio the Sixth
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

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« Reply #15 on: November 25, 2012, 03:29:53 PM »
Quote from: Benwah [why on Earth do I post something] Courseyay on November 25, 2012, 02:50:51 PM
Lionel Tardy, one of the main Filloniste MPs, on itélé:

La messe est dîte

Now it seems sure that we gonna create a new parliamentary group with the 134 other MPs supporting Fillon.

François Fillon would announce the official decision on Tuesday.

So yeah, Copé keeps the official UMP (well, what's left of it), and the split of the parliamentary group could be the 1st step to a new party, 'the last 'Gaulliste' breath'.

lol, Copé camp guys keeping saying, 'let's wait what the appeal will say!'...

So Fillon is really leaving? And he's taking 2/3 of MPs with him? Shocked That's wonderful news if true.
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Antonio the Sixth
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

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« Reply #16 on: November 25, 2012, 04:26:33 PM »
I'd like to have Fab's insight on this.
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Antonio the Sixth
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

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« Reply #17 on: November 25, 2012, 07:21:19 PM »
Balkany talking about guns/shooting is kinda...
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Antonio the Sixth
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Posts: 58,170
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #18 on: November 26, 2012, 04:46:46 PM »
Quote from: big bad fab on November 26, 2012, 09:01:11 AM
Ton avatar bleu est troublant, Antonio.
Cela te va bien, tu devrais essayer plus souvent Grin

Je savais que tu aprécierais mon geste de soutien. Wink Aujourd'hui, droite et gauche confondues, nous sommes tous Fillonistes ! Cheesy
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Antonio the Sixth
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E: -7.87, S: -3.83

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« Reply #19 on: November 27, 2012, 12:14:27 AM »

Will he try? Probably. Will he succeed? Nope.
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Antonio the Sixth
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

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« Reply #20 on: November 27, 2012, 05:24:12 AM »
Do we know how many MPs are ready to jump the boat?
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Antonio the Sixth
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

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« Reply #21 on: November 27, 2012, 07:05:39 PM »
La Zizanie is one of my favorite Asterix albums. Cheesy

Anyways, yeah, Copé has set up a perfect trap for Fillon. I really hope he does not give up an inch of his positions. Even if it's politically difficult to oppose Copé's shenanigans, it is absolutely necessary.
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Antonio the Sixth
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

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« Reply #22 on: November 27, 2012, 08:45:17 PM »
Quote from: drj101 on November 27, 2012, 08:36:33 PM
Wow, I had no idea VGE was still alive. I guess he's about the same era as Jimmy Carter, though.

Yup, they lost their job in the same year. Tongue
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Antonio the Sixth
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

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« Reply #23 on: November 29, 2012, 04:26:33 PM »
Good to see Fillon is still holding on. I hope he will eventually find the courage to break all bridges and, along with the other sane people in his party, start something anew. It would be the best thing to happen to the French right in over a decade.
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Antonio the Sixth
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

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« Reply #24 on: November 29, 2012, 08:01:56 PM »
So Guéant was aligned with Devedjian and Solère with Balkany? Color me surprised.
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