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« Reply #125 on: October 30, 2012, 12:55:04 PM »

That is because they are currently in a situation that wasn't their fault that they are in, but regardless are still in it and this is aimed at giving those who prove that they want to come into the system, want to be a benefit to society and such, a chance to correct that situation.

This will ensure that education and hardwork is priotized and thus that they have a better chance of success, rather than just legalizing them as is and leaving them on the fringes of society with higher than average poverty, dropout rates and crime rates. That won't help them and it won't help the country either.

I am surprised to see Franzl making the "Anti-Anchor Baby" argument and attaching it greater legitimacy, even as a devil's advocacy. Tongue Birthright citizenship does encourage illegal immigration, but I think that it is a much smaller group and not worth sacrificing an ideal to target them directly by removing said enocouragement. You have to be a women, of a certain age and pregnant for that to be a consideration, for one. Lastly, strong border, internal and workplace enforcement provide enough counter incentive, I would think. That is why I don't support changing the interpretation of the 14th like some of my fellow, more extreme border hawks do. I also am not nearly has hostile to immigration overall as the NumbersUSA crowd is overall.

As I have said countless times, you can carve out a select group who didn't choose to come here, and give them a break without encouraging future illegal immigration. However, when you remove the standards, you create an inducement for the parents to purposely try and come here illegally in the future under the assumption that the next round will include their child (since it seems we do this every 10 years and some never learn from the results Tongue). When you create a mass amnesty that situation gets even worse. We have done that in the past and each time the next group coming in was larger then the one before. We can't rely on economic stagnation and destruction of the "Atlasian Dream" these people seek in the first place, just to ensure that the flow of illegals is stemmed. We need to have that same kind of situaiton regardless of how well the economy is doing.

But I probably haven't sold you on the contradiction have I?
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« Reply #126 on: October 30, 2012, 01:10:01 PM »

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« Reply #127 on: October 30, 2012, 01:11:37 PM »

SPONSOR!!!!!!!!!

If I don't get some responses soon, there is no telling what my alt..ah...what "he" might do. Evil


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« Reply #128 on: October 30, 2012, 02:36:38 PM »

50:30 is Friendly
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« Reply #129 on: October 31, 2012, 06:55:48 AM »

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« Reply #130 on: November 01, 2012, 12:56:32 PM »

The amendment has passed.


Ben, would it have killed you to give feedback on both amendments Tongue No wonder your numbers are so low. Tongue

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« Reply #131 on: November 01, 2012, 01:28:51 PM »

I thought you wanted to wait Tongue  50:31 is also friendly.
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« Reply #132 on: November 01, 2012, 01:32:38 PM »

I thought you wanted to wait Tongue  50:31 is also friendly.
Until my amendmnet was done, yeah. But if I had the feedback thne and there it would have been efficient to dive right into the next one, after 50:30 was done. Tongue
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« Reply #133 on: November 01, 2012, 01:34:04 PM »

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« Reply #134 on: November 02, 2012, 11:36:09 AM »

Interesting, I jsut noticed that I have been transcribing 50 instead of 51 on some of these amendment numbers. No big issue since it only happened once or twice and the amendment specfic numbers (1-33) are fine. Tongue
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« Reply #135 on: November 02, 2012, 11:43:49 AM »

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« Reply #136 on: November 02, 2012, 03:03:44 PM »

Franzl, did you go back and edit your amendment to remove the strikethrough for the GPA requirements? I could've sworn the GPA requirement was crossed out when I first read it.

As it stands now though, I can probably support your amended version of the bill.

Also, no objection on Yankee's amendment.
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« Reply #137 on: November 05, 2012, 05:43:20 PM »

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« Reply #138 on: November 06, 2012, 04:09:46 AM »

Franzl, did you go back and edit your amendment to remove the strikethrough for the GPA requirements? I could've sworn the GPA requirement was crossed out when I first read it.

As it stands now though, I can probably support your amended version of the bill.



Yes, I did. I still support eliminating the GPA requirements, but I doubt a majority would agree.
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« Reply #139 on: November 07, 2012, 03:41:56 PM »

All right, lol. Just making sure I wasn't going insane. Tongue
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« Reply #140 on: November 08, 2012, 05:07:40 PM »

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« Reply #141 on: November 09, 2012, 05:29:09 PM »

The amendment has passed.


So did Franzls, my post on that one appears to have vanished.
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« Reply #142 on: November 10, 2012, 02:12:38 AM »

I feel the GPA is too high, somewhere in the vicinity of 2.7 would be more appropriate. That aside, I support this bill in its entirety.
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« Reply #143 on: November 10, 2012, 02:16:39 AM »

I feel the GPA is too high, somewhere in the vicinity of 2.7 would be more appropriate. That aside, I support this bill in its entirety.

I tend to agree about the GPA requirements being too high, although I wish they weren't there at all.

Why not? Let's give lowering it a shot. I propose the following amendment:

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« Reply #144 on: November 10, 2012, 02:24:10 AM »

Obviously, I am in support.
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« Reply #145 on: November 10, 2012, 01:19:48 PM »

I would rather abolish it entirely, but I'll take the reduction.
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« Reply #146 on: November 10, 2012, 02:07:00 PM »

Unfriendly.
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« Reply #147 on: November 10, 2012, 06:49:15 PM »

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« Reply #148 on: November 10, 2012, 06:49:53 PM »

I oppose this laxing of the standards.
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« Reply #149 on: November 10, 2012, 06:56:23 PM »


As do I, especially given that lack of hard standards in subjects like math and history.
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