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« Reply #75 on: October 20, 2012, 12:03:49 AM »

Vote on Amendment 51:15:

Aye (4): Ben, Hagrid, NC Yankee, and Scott
Nay (3): Franzl, Marokai Blue and sbane
Abstain (0):

Didn't Vote (3): BK, NVTowsend and Redalgo.

With time having expired (with 24 hours and some change to spare Tongue), the amendment has passed (barely). Ben's shall commence in the morning, so people won't think it is the same one and that they already voted. Roll Eyes Tongue
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« Reply #76 on: October 20, 2012, 12:06:47 AM »

...Cross the highways of fantasy and meet me on the other siddddddeeeeeeee! ewwwww, Dream Weaver! I believe you can get me through night...


You knew I was going to do that sooner or later on this. Tongue
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« Reply #77 on: October 20, 2012, 12:51:09 AM »

The bill says citizenship possibilities are to be revoked for those who are likely to become public charges and those who pose a public health risk. So then, these people who are in that category probably through no fault of their own even after they have worked hard for citizenship - what is to be done with them?
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« Reply #78 on: October 21, 2012, 11:20:40 PM »

Looking at that now, those provisions are a little unspecific.  I'll amend the bill so that they are removed-

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« Reply #79 on: October 22, 2012, 12:17:52 AM »

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« Reply #80 on: October 22, 2012, 11:57:55 AM »

Wasn't my amendment next to be considered, Yank?
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« Reply #81 on: October 22, 2012, 02:16:51 PM »

May I nominate Senator Ben to be a cosponsor for this bill?
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« Reply #82 on: October 22, 2012, 03:39:01 PM »

I'll happily take over for Scott.
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« Reply #83 on: October 23, 2012, 10:42:15 AM »


See, page changes are very, very bad kids. Tongue It would help it if people paid attention daily, then I wouldn't forget things like this. Wink


Scott's has passed, BEN'S IS NOW!!!


Scott, co-sponsorship doesn't provide for succession of sponsorship when the primary one leaves. You have to move to withdraw the legislation, Ben desire to take over sponsorship, and then a 48 hour objection period opened.
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« Reply #84 on: October 23, 2012, 10:44:33 AM »

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« Reply #85 on: October 23, 2012, 10:45:23 AM »


See, page changes are very, very bad kids. Tongue It would help it if people paid attention daily, then I wouldn't forget things like this. Wink


Scott's has passed, BEN'S IS NOW!!!


Scott, co-sponsorship doesn't provide for succession of sponsorship when the primary one leaves. You have to move to withdraw the legislation, Ben desire to take over sponsorship, and then a 48 hour objection period opened.

You're just deciding to ignore Senate tradition?
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« Reply #86 on: October 23, 2012, 10:45:36 AM »

As previously stated, I object to the amendment.
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« Reply #87 on: October 23, 2012, 10:51:55 AM »

I support this amendment. I would also seek to have the words "completes four years...." defined as well with a minimum GPA and such.

This isn't something that we should give out to people, without getting some kind of benefit in return, like military service or a benefit to our economy/society with their knowledge. We want them to be contributing members of society, otherwise we are just legalizing them in one aspect and then leaving them with one foot in the shadows where the potential to get involved in criminal activity and such forth is high. This isn't something that you just hand out to these kids, it is a priviledge that you award to them in exchange for them working hard and earning it by proving they can contribute to society in a productive fashion.

We don't want this to be something that people can take advantage of, just showing up for a semester or two and getting handed a meaningless degree with a D average that will likely never be worth a damn when they seek a job, just so that they can have legal status.
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« Reply #88 on: October 23, 2012, 10:59:17 AM »


See, page changes are very, very bad kids. Tongue It would help it if people paid attention daily, then I wouldn't forget things like this. Wink


Scott's has passed, BEN'S IS NOW!!!


Scott, co-sponsorship doesn't provide for succession of sponsorship when the primary one leaves. You have to move to withdraw the legislation, Ben desire to take over sponsorship, and then a 48 hour objection period opened.

You're just deciding to ignore Senate tradition?

https://uselectionatlas.org/AFEWIKI/index.php/Current_Senate_Rules,_Regulations,_and_Procedures
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What the hell are you talking about?
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« Reply #89 on: October 23, 2012, 11:02:32 AM »

https://uselectionatlas.org/AFEWIKI/index.php/Current_Senate_Rules,_Regulations,_and_Procedures

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Clauses have been added to the section so it is clause 10 now, which I just posted.

So what are talking you, Mr. President?  
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« Reply #90 on: October 23, 2012, 11:07:01 AM »

Cosponsors aren't treated currently than the regular sponsor. At least that's how it was when I left the Senate and I don't know when or why that would have been changed. There's no reason to make people jump through procedural hurdles that weren't necessary in the past.
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« Reply #91 on: October 23, 2012, 11:30:17 AM »
« Edited: October 23, 2012, 11:32:29 AM by Senator North Carolina Yankee »

This part of the OSPR hasn't been change at all that I know off, save it being slid around because of other clauses being added and so forth.

There may have been a time when I too misunderstood that clause, but certainly on the most recent cases, this is the procedure that I have used. Bgwah/Marokai may have been more flexible with this. I prefer the Bacon King model, call the 48 hours and let that wind down while Amendments are considered. That way you are getting it done, but it isn't interferring with the bill.
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« Reply #92 on: October 23, 2012, 01:53:42 PM »

Assuming the rules haven't, in fact, changed, I will motion to withdraw the legislation.
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« Reply #93 on: October 23, 2012, 01:54:05 PM »

I'll assume sponsorship of this legislation.
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« Reply #94 on: October 23, 2012, 03:31:01 PM »

Senators have 48 hours to object to the assumption of sponsorship.



Scott do you still view it as hostile, oh what the hell it doesn't matter anyway since Franzl objected.

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« Reply #95 on: October 23, 2012, 03:36:23 PM »

I'm kind of on the fence on this one.  While I agree with the amendment's ideals, I think it might be somewhat difficult to apply this to schools that offer certain electives.  For now, I will abstain.
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« Reply #96 on: October 23, 2012, 03:39:28 PM »

Aye


Scott, does the amendment in your view punish students for taking electives? I can't see how any self respecting high school wouldn't teach these core areas. I am a little confused here as to how it impacts electives.
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« Reply #97 on: October 23, 2012, 03:42:06 PM »

Scott, does the amendment in your view punish students for taking electives?

It punishes them for having a different skill set than others.
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« Reply #98 on: October 23, 2012, 03:45:28 PM »

Abstain. My position is unchanged, regardless of whether the amendment is made.
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« Reply #99 on: October 23, 2012, 03:47:27 PM »

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