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« on: October 07, 2012, 09:38:42 am »
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Romney is surging and I don't see how Obama is going to perform any better at the next two debates.
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« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2012, 09:41:57 am »
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Why not? He may not be the best debater but he is certainly better than he showed last Wednesday.

I am confident he will be back for the second debate. He knows he screwed up.
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« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2012, 10:30:01 am »
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Lmao.
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« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2012, 10:32:02 am »
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CALM DOWN.
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« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2012, 10:37:56 am »
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I know Democrats are discouraged, but let's not lose our heads... Wink
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« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2012, 10:49:25 am »
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Romney is surging and I don't see how Obama is going to perform any better at the next two debates.

Since when is +2 "surging?"

CALM DOWN.
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« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2012, 10:55:12 am »
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I will say this: if Obama loses the second debate, he's in a bad place.  If he loses all three debates, he's as good as finished.
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« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2012, 10:59:24 am »
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Romney still has a electoral-disadvantage. Swing states are called swing states for a reason romney could be up today. And next week we could be writing something different.
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« Reply #8 on: October 07, 2012, 11:19:15 am »
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Hahaha are you crazy? I've always thought you're Rhodie/KenyanObama/Dixie pretending you are a democrat. I'm almost sure now :p
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« Reply #9 on: October 07, 2012, 11:29:00 am »
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« Reply #10 on: October 07, 2012, 11:32:39 am »
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Hahaha are you crazy? I've always thought you're Rhodie/KenyanObama/Dixie pretending you are a democrat. I'm almost sure now :p

Are you referring to me??Sorry if i confused you. I am a independent obama supporter. How am i crazy?? I was saying that polls change everyday in swing states since the republicans thank romney has this in the bag. They just better hope obama don't retake the lead because if he does it's over. I hope joe biden wins the next debate
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« Reply #11 on: October 07, 2012, 12:08:36 pm »
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Ugh. Go away, BritishDixie.
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« Reply #12 on: October 07, 2012, 12:25:57 pm »
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Romney is surging? I wasn't aware.
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« Reply #13 on: October 07, 2012, 12:40:25 pm »
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LOL at this thread and the thread creator. 
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« Reply #14 on: October 07, 2012, 01:41:50 pm »
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Hahaha are you crazy? I've always thought you're Rhodie/KenyanObama/Dixie pretending you are a democrat. I'm almost sure now :p

Are you referring to me??Sorry if i confused you. I am a independent obama supporter. How am i crazy?? I was saying that polls change everyday in swing states since the republicans thank romney has this in the bag. They just better hope obama don't retake the lead because if he does it's over. I hope joe biden wins the next debate

No, he was referring to the OP. Unless your post is quoted, you shouldn't assume the poster after you is necessarily referring to you.
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« Reply #15 on: October 07, 2012, 02:17:11 pm »
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Troll question. Not applicable 30 days before the election. 200 days, maybe. 30, no.
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« Reply #16 on: October 07, 2012, 03:15:45 pm »
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This question is dumb, but in fairness when I watched the Democratic Primary process in 2008 Hillary was clearly a better debater.  Because Obama was clearly better at giving speeches than Hillary, this seemed to be overlooked.

To my eye, it looked like Obama fell into the same debate trap that has snared so many incumbent presidents -- distracted by his day job, rusty debate skills and a sheltered life inside the presidential bubble.  George Condon has a good article about why incumbent presidents fall flat in their first reelection debate.  It was written on Oct. 1, before the debate, and was quite prescient in suggesting why Obama was likely to lose.

http://www.nationaljournal.com/magazine/why-incumbents-lose-presidential-debates-20120927



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« Reply #17 on: October 07, 2012, 03:20:17 pm »
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Romney is surging and I don't see how Obama is going to perform any better at the next two debates.

Only if Romney drops out as well and endorses Gary Johnson.
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« Reply #18 on: October 07, 2012, 03:36:02 pm »
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Last week was the best debate model for Romney. Foreign policy usually favors the incumbent (especially when that incumbent got Bin Laden), and the third debate is a town hall-style, which is also not in Romney's favor.
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« Reply #19 on: October 07, 2012, 03:48:17 pm »
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Last week was the best debate model for Romney. Foreign policy usually favors the incumbent (especially when that incumbent got Bin Laden), and the third debate is a town hall-style, which is also not in Romney's favor.

Two problems:

1.  Libya.

2.  The Arab Spring/now Late summer.

I also would not discount Romney's abilities in a town hall.  He's been doing a lot of that.
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« Reply #20 on: October 07, 2012, 03:50:22 pm »
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Problem is, Romney has zero foreign policy experience and he showed that when he smiled about what happened in Libya during that press conference.
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« Reply #21 on: October 07, 2012, 03:54:24 pm »
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Obama did not just lose; it is becoming increasingly clear that he was defeated like no president since George H.W. Bush, if not Jimmy Carter. The image they built up about Romney, telling everybody for months that Romney is some kind of risky monster--well, that image was destroyed once and for all (it was merely a figment of Democrats' wild imaginations). As a result, Team Obama has ZERO credibility with Independents now. These Independents were expecting to see Donald Trump versus "Hope and Change." Instead, they saw Reagan Vs. Carter set in 2012. They are startled that they were fooled so badly by Obama's Hype Machine.

To summarize: One, Independents will not be fooled again. Most of them are pretty much lost to Romney moving forward. Two, I do not see how Democrats can get as fired up as Republicans are right now, especially when you consider that there are only four weeks to go. I mean, it's not like Obama's pro-gay marriage plank would legalize gay marriage across the nation, and there's really nothing else there to fire up Democrats moving forward (And Biden killed that momentum tactic back in May). Three, I have never seen Republicans so fired up before, 1980/1984/1994/2004/2010 included.

Bottomline: In the next debate, Obama needs to somehow match or surpass what Romney accomplished in the first debate. He needs THE performance of his entire career. If he fails to do this, the question on everybody's mind will start becoming "how badly will Obama lose?" not "can Obama bounce back?"
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« Reply #22 on: October 07, 2012, 04:28:08 pm »
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LOL. Romney has had dozens of these "bad moments" in the campaign. I think Obama's allowed one without being written off.
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« Reply #23 on: October 07, 2012, 05:18:37 pm »
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Obama did not just lose; it is becoming increasingly clear that he was defeated like no president since George H.W. Bush, if not Jimmy Carter. The image they built up about Romney, telling everybody for months that Romney is some kind of risky monster--well, that image was destroyed once and for all (it was merely a figment of Democrats' wild imaginations). As a result, Team Obama has ZERO credibility with Independents now. These Independents were expecting to see Donald Trump versus "Hope and Change." Instead, they saw Reagan Vs. Carter set in 2012. They are startled that they were fooled so badly by Obama's Hype Machine.

To summarize: One, Independents will not be fooled again. Most of them are pretty much lost to Romney moving forward. Two, I do not see how Democrats can get as fired up as Republicans are right now, especially when you consider that there are only four weeks to go. I mean, it's not like Obama's pro-gay marriage plank would legalize gay marriage across the nation, and there's really nothing else there to fire up Democrats moving forward (And Biden killed that momentum tactic back in May). Three, I have never seen Republicans so fired up before, 1980/1984/1994/2004/2010 included.

Bottomline: In the next debate, Obama needs to somehow match or surpass what Romney accomplished in the first debate. He needs THE performance of his entire career. If he fails to do this, the question on everybody's mind will start becoming "how badly will Obama lose?" not "can Obama bounce back?"

So where is Romney's big bounce? Why hasn't he taken the lead yet?
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« Reply #24 on: October 07, 2012, 05:32:53 pm »
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Are you referring to me??Sorry if i confused you. I am a independent obama supporter. How am i crazy?? I was saying that polls change everyday in swing states since the republicans thank romney has this in the bag. They just better hope obama don't retake the lead because if he does it's over. I hope joe biden wins the next debate

I was referring to the OP, as Antonio said: You're a great poster Wink
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