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« on: October 10, 2012, 12:33:56 AM »
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« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2012, 04:11:00 AM »
« Edited: October 10, 2012, 04:29:36 AM by London Man »
He pleaded guility and I don't see any freedom of speech justification for this.

A jail sentence was possibly an over-reaction though.
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« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2012, 05:21:13 AM »

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Is this the name of the crime?
Is their a difference between saying something on the street and writing it on the internet?
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« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2012, 06:28:59 AM »
Newspapers witch hunts like this are crazy.
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« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2012, 07:18:20 AM »
Quote from: Bain Capital on October 10, 2012, 06:28:59 AM
Newspapers witch hunts like this are crazy.
Almost as crazy as jailing somebody for something they said.
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« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2012, 08:00:51 AM »
Quote from: dead0man on October 10, 2012, 07:18:20 AM
Quote from: Bain Capital on October 10, 2012, 06:28:59 AM
Newspapers witch hunts like this are crazy.
Almost as crazy as jailing somebody for something they said.

Yeah, that's what he was talking about.
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« Reply #6 on: October 10, 2012, 08:04:41 AM »
Was it?  I don't know.  All I know is newspapers don't write the laws, convict people or sentence them.  They are the problem.  Well, I suppose the idiots voting for them are the real problem.
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« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2012, 08:24:48 AM »
« Edited: October 10, 2012, 08:26:28 AM by Leftbehind »
Yeah, it's not as if the reactionary press have any involvement in influencing those sh**tty politicians to create laws to allow this.

"[...]which lead to the not entirely unjustified charge that we simply follow proposals from the Conservatives or the right-wing media, to minimise differences and remove lines of attack against us". ~Home Secretary 2004-2006, Charles Clarke.
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« Reply #8 on: October 10, 2012, 08:46:07 AM »
Of course, but only because the public is so freaking gullible.
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« Reply #9 on: October 10, 2012, 09:27:30 AM »
This is ridiculous. And people don't believe that the UK is becoming a police state.

Quote from: London Man on October 10, 2012, 04:11:00 AM
He pleaded guility and I don't see any freedom of speech justification for this.

A jail sentence was possibly an over-reaction though.
What's the point of free speech if you can only express in bounds set by the government?
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« Reply #10 on: October 10, 2012, 10:51:17 AM »
It sounds like he was offensive and idiotic, but being offensive and idiotic shouldn't mean a jail sentence.  And surely our legal system has better things to do than pursuing such people.
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« Reply #11 on: October 10, 2012, 11:16:03 AM »
Quote from: London Man on October 10, 2012, 04:11:00 AM
He pleaded guility and I don't see any freedom of speech justification for this.

A jail sentence was possibly an over-reaction though.

You don't seem to value freedom of speech much.
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« Reply #12 on: October 10, 2012, 11:41:10 AM »
Quote from: Senator Franzl on October 10, 2012, 11:16:03 AM
Quote from: London Man on October 10, 2012, 04:11:00 AM
He pleaded guility and I don't see any freedom of speech justification for this.

A jail sentence was possibly an over-reaction though.

You don't seem to value freedom of speech much.

Freedom of speech does not equal offensive jokes about a possibly murdered young girl.
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« Reply #13 on: October 10, 2012, 11:49:38 AM »
Quote from: Senator Franzl on October 10, 2012, 11:16:03 AM
Quote from: London Man on October 10, 2012, 04:11:00 AM
He pleaded guility and I don't see any freedom of speech justification for this.

A jail sentence was possibly an over-reaction though.

You don't seem to value freedom of speech much.
He doesn't understand how it works either.
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« Reply #14 on: October 10, 2012, 11:51:59 AM »
Quote from: London Man on October 10, 2012, 11:41:10 AM
Quote from: Senator Franzl on October 10, 2012, 11:16:03 AM
Quote from: London Man on October 10, 2012, 04:11:00 AM
He pleaded guility and I don't see any freedom of speech justification for this.

A jail sentence was possibly an over-reaction though.

You don't seem to value freedom of speech much.

Freedom of speech does not equal offensive jokes about a possibly murdered young girl.

So what does "freedom of speech" include? Do you not see the contradiction here? Speech is not actually free the way you envision it.
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« Reply #15 on: October 10, 2012, 01:08:58 PM »
Quote from: Senator Franzl on October 10, 2012, 11:51:59 AM
Quote from: London Man on October 10, 2012, 11:41:10 AM
Quote from: Senator Franzl on October 10, 2012, 11:16:03 AM
Quote from: London Man on October 10, 2012, 04:11:00 AM
He pleaded guility and I don't see any freedom of speech justification for this.

A jail sentence was possibly an over-reaction though.

You don't seem to value freedom of speech much.

Freedom of speech does not equal offensive jokes about a possibly murdered young girl.

So what does "freedom of speech" include? Do you not see the contradiction here? Speech is not actually free the way you envision it.

Freedom of speech includes airing your opinion on a variety of topics while respecting the right of other people to hold their own opinions and their fundamental humanity.

I can't give a clear definition what isn't included, but I know what shouldn't be when I see it.
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« Reply #16 on: October 10, 2012, 01:18:50 PM »
Quote from: London Man on October 10, 2012, 01:08:58 PM
Quote from: Senator Franzl on October 10, 2012, 11:51:59 AM
Quote from: London Man on October 10, 2012, 11:41:10 AM
Quote from: Senator Franzl on October 10, 2012, 11:16:03 AM
Quote from: London Man on October 10, 2012, 04:11:00 AM
He pleaded guility and I don't see any freedom of speech justification for this.

A jail sentence was possibly an over-reaction though.

You don't seem to value freedom of speech much.

Freedom of speech does not equal offensive jokes about a possibly murdered young girl.

So what does "freedom of speech" include? Do you not see the contradiction here? Speech is not actually free the way you envision it.

Freedom of speech includes airing your opinion on a variety of topics while respecting the right of other people to hold their own opinions and their fundamental humanity.

I can't give a clear definition what isn't included, but I know what shouldn't be when I see it.

Oh you would hate it here.
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« Reply #17 on: October 10, 2012, 01:30:38 PM »
Absolute freedom of speech does not exist in any country. Anyways, really short prison sentences serve no useful purpose.
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« Reply #18 on: October 10, 2012, 01:41:35 PM »
The ENTIRE FREAKING POINT to Freedom of Speech is to protect unpopular speech from censure by the govt.  If it doesn't do that, it's not Freedom of SpeechTM.
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« Reply #19 on: October 10, 2012, 01:48:00 PM »
I understand that shouting 'fire' in a crowded theatre is regarded as an unpopular form of speech.
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« Reply #20 on: October 10, 2012, 01:53:28 PM »
Quote from: Comrade Sibboleth on October 10, 2012, 01:48:00 PM
I understand that shouting 'fire' in a crowded theatre is regarded as an unpopular form of speech.
In this case, no lives were threatened, so the comparison is incorrect.
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« Reply #21 on: October 10, 2012, 01:54:25 PM »
Well, his was.
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« Reply #22 on: October 10, 2012, 02:04:33 PM »
I am only posting this to get the 100,000 post in this subforum, which is on-topic, because I am doing an offensive thing on the internet.
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« Reply #23 on: October 10, 2012, 02:17:03 PM »
Quote from: Grad Students are the Worst on October 10, 2012, 02:04:33 PM
I am only posting this to get the 100,000 post in this subforum, which is on-topic, because I am doing an offensive thing on the internet.

And you should most certainly be imprisoned for it.
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« Reply #24 on: October 10, 2012, 02:20:58 PM »
So freedom of speech is valid as one threatens you over it?
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