paul ryan lost the debate

[wan]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/12/biden-ryan-debate_n_1960034.html

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1012/82323.html?hp=l1

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=50132981n

http://www.aim.org/aim-column/media-to-declare-biden-the-debate-winner/

http://gort42.blogspot.com/2012/10/biden-wins-debate-and-stops-bleeding.html

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/10/laughing-joe-steals-the-show-at-vice-presidential-debate/

http://abcnewsradioonline.com/politics-news/poll-paul-ryan-stalls-on-popularity-but-joe-biden-does-no-be.html

[5280]

'According to Huffington Post, Ryan lost the debate'

[wan]

'According to Huffington Post, Ryan lost the debate'

also abc & cbs

[5280]

'According to Huffington Post, Ryan lost the debate'

also abc & cbs

Yeah, he fired up the Democrat base. Big deal.

[wan]

'According to Huffington Post, Ryan lost the debate'

also abc & cbs

Yeah, he fired up the Democrat base. Big deal.

seems like you just conceded.

[President von Cat]

'According to Huffington Post, Ryan lost the debate'

also abc & cbs

Yeah, he fired up the Democrat base. Big deal.

Um, actually, yeah it is a big deal. That was exactly what Biden was supposed to do. It gets Democrats enthused after Obama's despondent first debate, and pushes the news cycle onto something else.

[5280]

'According to Huffington Post, Ryan lost the debate'

also abc & cbs

Yeah, he fired up the Democrat base. Big deal.

seems like you just conceded.

No, he's not winning any undecideds at this point, they're only kept on the fence longer.  How is it that they can comprehend any of the Ryan's 5 points for getting the US back on the track when Biden is constantly interupting and talking over him?

[President von Cat]

'According to Huffington Post, Ryan lost the debate'

also abc & cbs

Yeah, he fired up the Democrat base. Big deal.

seems like you just conceded.

No, he's not winning any undecideds at this point, they're only kept on the fence longer.

Oh please. There are no true 'undecideds' anymore at this point. Even if you're not set on who to vote for at this point, you have doubtlessly formed some opinion on the budget, foreign policy, taxes, social issues, and so forth by now. So basically if Biden agreed with where you stand on those, you're probably going to sympathize with him regardless of whether or not he is interrupting.

I'm tired of people assuming that 'undecided' or 'independent' voters have no opinion whatsoever on anything, and are forming all of their opinions based on these debates. It is condescending first of all, and a ridiculous assumption second of all.

[Jacob]

'According to Huffington Post, Ryan lost the debate'

also abc & cbs

Yeah, he fired up the Democrat base. Big deal.

seems like you just conceded.

No, he's not winning any undecideds at this point, they're only kept on the fence longer.  How is it that they can comprehend any of the Ryan's 5 points for getting the US back on the track when Biden is constantly interupting and talking over him?

CBS poll of undecideds gives it to Biden 51-30. After we poll Reaganfan's Democratic family members and their second cousins, we will have a better idea of how the race is shaping up. Please stay tuned.

[5280]

'According to Huffington Post, Ryan lost the debate'

also abc & cbs

Yeah, he fired up the Democrat base. Big deal.

seems like you just conceded.

No, he's not winning any undecideds at this point, they're only kept on the fence longer.  How is it that they can comprehend any of the Ryan's 5 points for getting the US back on the track when Biden is constantly interupting and talking over him?

CBS poll of undecideds gives it to Biden 51-30. After we poll Reaganfan's Democratic family members and their second cousins, we will have a better idea of how the race is shaping up. Please stay tuned.

The polls that come up is just noise from now until the presidential debates next Tuesday.  Polls with Romney in the lead are leftovers from the last debate.

[Orion0]

Oh please. There are no true 'undecideds' anymore at this point. Even if you're not set on who to vote for at this point, you have doubtlessly formed some opinion on the budget, foreign policy, taxes, social issues, and so forth by now. So basically if Biden agreed with where you stand on those, you're probably going to sympathize with him regardless of whether or not he is interrupting.

I'm tired of people assuming that 'undecided' or 'independent' voters have no opinion whatsoever on anything, and are forming all of their opinions based on these debates. It is condescending first of all, and a ridiculous assumption second of all.

Maybe undecided is the wrong term. Call it the centre. Those with no preference for either party, feeling they're both essentially two sides of the same coin or vote for the lesser of two evils. These people vote on simple logic and whether or not they like the guy. The same people who got Clinton elected twice, and pushed bush to victory in 2004. and to say that Biden did anything tonight to win those people over is a joke when you look at Paul Ryan's very deliberate pitch to exactly those voters: the centrists. Bidens over the top theatrics and condescension win big with those who already support him but do not really appeal to a broader audience. Exciting the base could be enough though, but Paul Ryan was calm, yes very understated at times, but didn't flub it, and certainly no one walked away worried if he became president one day, which in itself was mission accomplished for the republican ticket.

[Jacob]

'According to Huffington Post, Ryan lost the debate'

also abc & cbs

Yeah, he fired up the Democrat base. Big deal.

seems like you just conceded.

No, he's not winning any undecideds at this point, they're only kept on the fence longer.  How is it that they can comprehend any of the Ryan's 5 points for getting the US back on the track when Biden is constantly interupting and talking over him?

CBS poll of undecideds gives it to Biden 51-30. After we poll Reaganfan's Democratic family members and their second cousins, we will have a better idea of how the race is shaping up. Please stay tuned.

The polls that come up is just noise from now until the presidential debates next Tuesday.  Polls with Romney in the lead are leftovers from the last debate.

This is why I am waiting on the Reaganfan's much heralded Democratic friends and family poll to draw any further conclusions. It only has an n of 14.5 (the half is the family's cocker spaniel), but its predictive value really cannot be understated.

[technical support]

'According to Huffington Post, Ryan lost the debate'

also abc & cbs

Yeah, he fired up the Democrat base. Big deal.

seems like you just conceded.

No, he's not winning any undecideds at this point, they're only kept on the fence longer.  How is it that they can comprehend any of the Ryan's 5 points for getting the US back on the track when Biden is constantly interupting and talking over him?

CBS poll of undecideds gives it to Biden 51-30. After we poll Reaganfan's Democratic family members and their second cousins, we will have a better idea of how the race is shaping up. Please stay tuned.

The polls that come up is just noise from now until the presidential debates next Tuesday.  Polls with Romney in the lead are leftovers from the last debate.

This is why I am waiting on the Reaganfan's much heralded Democratic friends and family poll to draw any further conclusions. It only has an n of 14.5 (the half is the family's cocker spaniel), but its predictive value really cannot be understated.

Lol

[Donerail]

capitalization lost the op

[NHI]

I beg to differ. That buffoon of a vice president came off as rude and hotheaded. I watched the debate where the majority of the room was filled with independents and they were not impressed by good ole Joe.

Ryan won on both substance and style.

[zorkpolitics]

Left leaning pundits agree Biden won, what a surprise.
I thought Biden was arrogant, bullying, and obnoxious, and as one focus group participant said, a buffoon.  Ryan was the better candidate.  Apparently most people agree:

Final CNN poll who won? Ryan 49 Biden 43
NBC poll who won? Ryan 56 to Biden 36
AP poll who won? Ryan 51 to Biden 43

[NHI]

Left leaning pundits agree Biden won, what a surprise.
I thought Biden was arrogant, bullying, and obnoxious, and as one focus group participant said, a buffoon.  Ryan was the better candidate.  Apparently most people agree:

Final CNN poll who won? Ryan 49 Biden 43
NBC poll who won? Ryan 56 to Biden 36
AP poll who won? Ryan 51 to Biden 43

[AmericanNation]

Left leaning pundits agree Biden won, what a surprise.
I thought Biden was arrogant, bullying, and obnoxious, and as one focus group participant said, a buffoon.  Ryan was the better candidate.  Apparently most people agree:

Final CNN poll who won? Ryan 49 Biden 43
NBC poll who won? Ryan 56 to Biden 36
AP poll who won? Ryan 51 to Biden 43

Time will erode whatever points Biden's "performance" scored.  Still shots and video of Old, crazy, senile, rude, untrustworthy, hackish politician, unserious, and dangerous mad man doesn't exactly play well with the American people (maybe with democrats).       

[J. J.]

'According to Huffington Post, Ryan lost the debate'

also abc & cbs

Yeah, he fired up the Democrat base. Big deal.

seems like you just conceded.

Firing up the people that will vote for you, when you are behind, is not a win.

This morning:

MSNBC:  Biden jokey, not presidential

CNN:  Libya, with a touch of jiky.

FOX:  Libya.

Ryan won it on style; a focus group member on CNN called Ryan a "buffoon."

[Torie]

Boy the Pubs around here have counterattacked nicely on this thread. I was wondering for a moment whether I had seen a different debate. I call the debate a tie, with Biden very good on Iran and the nukes thing, but his smiles and interrupting hopefully will piss off swing voters. I certainly found it execrable, and I think Ryan's crack about it was well handled. There will be a whole new school of debating about how to deal with someone who interrupts and just won't follow the rules. How do you stop it, when do you start doing it yourself in retaliation like Ryan did, is there any way you can complain to the moderator without seeming weak and whinny and so forth.

[BigSkyBob]

Left leaning pundits agree Biden won, what a surprise.
I thought Biden was arrogant, bullying, and obnoxious, and as one focus group participant said, a buffoon.  Ryan was the better candidate.  Apparently most people agree:

Final CNN poll who won? Ryan 49 Biden 43
NBC poll who won? Ryan 56 to Biden 36
AP poll who won? Ryan 51 to Biden 43

Time will erode whatever points Biden's "performance" scored.  Still shots and video of Old, crazy, senile, rude, untrustworthy, hackish politician, unserious, and dangerous mad man doesn't exactly play well with the American people (maybe with democrats).       

Obama is going to have answer for a few of Biden's whoppers.

First, there was Afghanistan. In the debate, Biden stated he opposed the war in part because it was charged to the national credit card. This is a substantial revision of history given Biden voted for the authorization of force resolution. It, also, doesn't square with Obama's 2008 campaign position that Afghanistan was the good war in the national interest that Bush let slide to pursue the distraction of Iraq. Obama promised in 2008 to focus on Afghanistan, and surged the conflict while in office. What we have to show for Obama's "surge" in Afghanistan is a Taliban victory, and, of course, a thousand more young men and women being sent home in body bags.

Then there is Libya. On one hand, he piously pledged to get to the bottom of it and punish all those responsible. On the other hand, he claimed to be unaware of the security assessment the next day that clearly identified it as a terrorist attack, or the fact that the embassy had indeed requested additional security.

Not mentioned was the fact that the Obama administration prioritized buying expensive Chevy Volts over embassy security.

[J. J.]

Boy the Pubs around here have counterattacked nicely on this thread. I was wondering for a moment whether I had seen a different debate. I call the debate a tie, with Biden very good on Iran and the nukes thing, but his smiles and interrupting hopefully will piss off swing voters. I certainly found it execrable, and I think Ryan's crack about it was well handled. There will be a whole new school of debating about how to deal with someone who interrupts and just won't follow the rules. How do you stop it, when do you start doing it yourself in retaliation like Ryan did, is there any way you can complain to the moderator without seeming weak and whinny and so forth.

Libya, which was unfortunately the first question, was a disaster for Obama. 

On terms of substance, I'd give it to Biden; he was stronger on the economy than I expected.  He was weaker on foreign policy (Libya) than I expected, but foreign affairs are secondary to the economy.

In terms of style, if Biden had conducted himself throughout the debate the way he did on the "Catholic Question," he would have won.  He didn't and Biden didn't win it.  He lost it on style points.   

The good news is that it is almost totally irrelevant. 

[Eraserhead]

Left leaning pundits agree Biden won, what a surprise.
I thought Biden was arrogant, bullying, and obnoxious, and as one focus group participant said, a buffoon.  Ryan was the better candidate.  Apparently most people agree:

Final CNN poll who won? Ryan 49 Biden 43
NBC poll who won? Ryan 56 to Biden 36
AP poll who won? Ryan 51 to Biden 43

The CNN poll was 48-44.

The NBC poll was actually a CNBC poll and it was online (not scientific)... and last time I checked it had even switched over into a Biden lead of 53-44!

Where is the AP poll? Is it scientific? If it isn't, I'm sure I could find hundreds more online polls for you where Biden is winning.

[Jacob]

Left leaning pundits agree Biden won, what a surprise.
I thought Biden was arrogant, bullying, and obnoxious, and as one focus group participant said, a buffoon.  Ryan was the better candidate.  Apparently most people agree:

Final CNN poll who won? Ryan 49 Biden 43
NBC poll who won? Ryan 56 to Biden 36
AP poll who won? Ryan 51 to Biden 43

Stop giving us facts, liberal. PS, anyone know how I link my political atlas scores like others display to my account? It says in my settings that I have successfully linked them, but it says the account is disabled.

The CNN poll was 48-44.

The NBC poll was actually a CNBC poll and it was online (not scientific)... and last time I checked it had even switched over into a Biden lead of 53-44!

Where is the AP poll? Is it scientific? If it isn't, I'm sure I could find hundreds more online polls for you where Biden is winning.

[Cryptic]

Left leaning pundits agree Biden won, what a surprise.
I thought Biden was arrogant, bullying, and obnoxious, and as one focus group participant said, a buffoon.  Ryan was the better candidate.  Apparently most people agree:

Final CNN poll who won? Ryan 49 Biden 43
NBC poll who won? Ryan 56 to Biden 36
AP poll who won? Ryan 51 to Biden 43

The CNN poll was 48-44.

The NBC poll was actually a CNBC poll and it was online (not scientific)... and last time I checked it had even switched over into a Biden lead of 53-44!

Where is the AP poll? Is it scientific? If it isn't, I'm sure I could find hundreds more online polls for you where Biden is winning.

The so-called AP poll was actually a poll on the Topeka Capital-Journal's website that was sticked into an AP article.  Now, I'm not an expert, but I'm pretty sure AP polls, not to mention any scientific polls, aren't hosted by "polldaddy.com."

Here's a link.

http://cjonline.com/news/2012-10-12/analysis-poll-who-had-edge-vp-debate