Pew poll shows Biden lost the debate

[Cliffy]

with independents.  Overall 47-46 Biden wins (had to interview more dems though to get there), with Independents, the true judges, Ryan wins 50-39.  So much for that theory of Biden winning, lol.  

The analysis in this report is based on telephone interviews conducted October 12-14, 2012 among a national sample of 1,006 adults 18 years of age or older living in the continental United States (605 respondents were interviewed on a landline telephone, and 401 were interviewed on a cell phone, including 197 who had no landline telephone).

http://www.people-press.org/2012/10/15/voters-divided-over-who-will-win-second-debate/2/

[cinyc]

That's Pew, not PPP.

[Marokai Backbeat]

The really weird desperation from some people to "prove" that Biden didn't do really well at the debate is getting kind of sad. Lefties around here admitted Obama kind of sucked and that the public reaction to it was incredibly negative; is it so impossible for people to admit Paul Ryan isn't some sort of demigod?

[Cliffy]

Thanks for the correction.

actually I've seen repeated posts about the Biden Bump and how he did so well.  Ryan did alright, held his own.  Just pointing out for those who do think Biden won, another poll showing he didn't. 

[Speed of Sound]

The really weird desperation from some people to "prove" that Biden didn't do really well at the debate is getting kind of sad. Lefties around here admitted Obama kind of sucked and that the public reaction to it was incredibly negative; is it so impossible for people to admit Paul Ryan isn't some sort of demigod?

Yeah, there are people on both sides that are pretty pathetic. It is well noted already, however, that Cliffy is pretty bottom of the barrel even within the bottom of this group. For example, the point about the changing demographics of pseudo-Independents leading to otherwise simply irrational leads amongst Independents across the board is universally agreed upon by anyone with a brain (even many republicans) but some posters just keep screaming and shouting and not listening to the reasons given and won't stop until people break down and agree; which of course wont happen, we'll all just throw them on ignore and be stunned by their ignorance (eg, now).

[technical support]

4250

Thanks for the correction.

actually I've seen repeated posts about the Biden Bump and how he did so well.  Ryan did alright, held his own.  Just pointing out for those who do think Biden won, another poll showing he didn't.  

Blah blah blah. Who cares one poll can't determine who won. The VP debate is over you are late just like your party. And BTW there aren't really undecided voters in this country. U have been fooled and disconnected from reality of whats really going on in this election. I sure hope your're making over 250,000 yr since you support romney if not you then are considered poor for your party.

[Eraserhead]

Nice job on the misleading title. Since the poll actually gives the edge to Biden, as almost all of them have.

[Biden 2024]

with independents.  Overall 47-46 Biden wins (had to interview more dems though to get there), with Independents, the true judges, Ryan wins 50-39.  So much for that theory of Biden winning, lol.  

The analysis in this report is based on telephone interviews conducted October 12-14, 2012 among a national sample of 1,006 adults 18 years of age or older living in the continental United States (605 respondents were interviewed on a landline telephone, and 401 were interviewed on a cell phone, including 197 who had no landline telephone).

http://www.people-press.org/2012/10/15/voters-divided-over-who-will-win-second-debate/2/

ROFL @ delusioned butthurt Repubs.

[wan]

Thanks for the correction.

actually I've seen repeated posts about the Biden Bump and how he did so well.  Ryan did alright, held his own.  Just pointing out for those who do think Biden won, another poll showing he didn't.  

i see the devils got you working overtime again. The devils just didn't tell you to work a liittle harder because a strong wave is heading in your direction.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

*insert standard spiel about how many Tea Party types now claim to be independents*

[Yank2133]

The really weird desperation from some people to "prove" that Biden didn't do really well at the debate is getting kind of sad. Lefties around here admitted Obama kind of sucked and that the public reaction to it was incredibly negative; is it so impossible for people to admit Paul Ryan isn't some sort of demigod?

It is a smart tactic though that us Dems need to pick up.

One thing that did Obama in from his debate was the reaction from a lot of people from the left. The damage may have been less severe if many on the left did not panic.

I will always admire Republicans for their ability to act like their winning regardless if they are getting their ass kicked.

[The Vorlon]

In baseball they have a statistic for pitchers called a "hold" which seems to be the best description for what Biden did.

A "hold" is something like the following scenario....

Your starting pitcher gets rocked, gives up 6 runs in the first two innings and gets pulled, and in comes the long reliever with the team down 6-2...

The reliever puts in a decent but not spectacular performance and going into the 7th inning the score is now 8-5...  made up a bit of ground, they team has had a chance to recover, and the game is still up for grabs....

KInda like Biden, he didn't win the game, but he kept it from being lost....

[BigSkyBob]

The really weird desperation from some people to "prove" that Biden didn't do really well at the debate is getting kind of sad. Lefties around here admitted Obama kind of sucked and that the public reaction to it was incredibly negative; is it so impossible for people to admit Paul Ryan isn't some sort of demigod?

And, when lefties around here admit that Joe Biden was an insufferable ass we can discuss the debates in the context of the truth.

[J. J.]

In baseball they have a statistic for pitchers called a "hold" which seems to be the best description for what Biden did.

A "hold" is something like the following scenario....

Your starting pitcher gets rocked, gives up 6 runs in the first two innings and gets pulled, and in comes the long reliever with the team down 6-2...

The reliever puts in a decent but not spectacular performance and going into the 7th inning the score is now 8-5...  made up a bit of ground, they team has had a chance to recover, and the game is still up for grabs....

KInda like Biden, he didn't win the game, but he kept it from being lost....

I see this as a tactical victory, but a strategic defeat for Biden.  After the debate, what are we all talking about:

A.  Libya.  His answer made the White House look out of touch and somewhat incompetent.  The thing is that Obama is reasonably good with foreign policy, but Biden's answer didn't indicate that.

B.  His body language may have energized the base, but it turned off a lot of people, especially women.  He came off as boorish and buffoonish, which is fine in some circumstances, but not that one.

[Phony Moderate]

The really weird desperation from some people to "prove" that Biden didn't do really well at the debate is getting kind of sad. Lefties around here admitted Obama kind of sucked and that the public reaction to it was incredibly negative; is it so impossible for people to admit Paul Ryan isn't some sort of demigod?

And, when lefties around here admit that Joe Biden was an insufferable ass we can discuss the debates in the context of the truth.

If he hadn't acted like an "insufferable ass", you'd be comparing his performance to that of Obama in the first debate. If Ryan had been the "insufferable ass", someone like Mondale84 would have posted something similar to what you posted.

[The Vorlon]

I see this as a tactical victory, but a strategic defeat for Biden.  After the debate, what are we all talking about:

A.  Libya.  His answer made the White House look out of touch and somewhat incompetent.  The thing is that Obama is reasonably good with foreign policy, but Biden's answer didn't indicate that.

B.  His body language may have energized the base, but it turned off a lot of people, especially women.  He came off as boorish and buffoonish, which is fine in some circumstances, but not that one.

I actually more or less agree with you.

Obama/Biden needed a tactical victory, something to rally the troops, let them believe it wasn't over, that there was still some fight left.  Biden did this.

Unfortunately, he looked like an ass doing so..

A tactical victory in that it fired up the Dem base.

A modest strategic loss in that it made Obama/Biden look buffonish to independents and women...

[RI]

In baseball they have a statistic for pitchers called a "hold" which seems to be the best description for what Biden did.

A "hold" is something like the following scenario....

Your starting pitcher gets rocked, gives up 6 runs in the first two innings and gets pulled, and in comes the long reliever with the team down 6-2...

The reliever puts in a decent but not spectacular performance and going into the 7th inning the score is now 8-5...  made up a bit of ground, they team has had a chance to recover, and the game is still up for grabs....

KInda like Biden, he didn't win the game, but he kept it from being lost....

That's not what a hold is (your team needs to be leading), plus you stole the idea from Nate Silver.

[5280]

We can all say this thread has been 

[Maxwell]

Biden won because he went out there and did what VP's are supposed to do: be the presidential candidates attack dog. Ryan went out there with talking points assuming it would be a cakewalk and got shanked, though not as badly as Obama did.

[pepper11]

No one cares who won the VP debate.

[Lincoln Republican]

No one cares who won the VP debate.

I must agree.

Nobody votes for President because of who the Vice President is.

[Joe Republic]

Nobody votes for President because of who the Vice President is.

Tell that to the people who specifically voted against Sarah Palin and the septuagenarian with remissive cancer that she shared a ticket with.

[AmericanNation]

No one cares who won the VP debate.

Nobody votes for President because of who the Vice President is.

Nobody votes for President because of who the Vice President is.

Tell that to the people who specifically voted against Sarah Palin and the septuagenarian with remissive cancer that she shared a ticket with.

Exactly, people don't vote FOR the VP (especially based on the debate), but they will vote against them.  Which is why Biden did so much damage and clearly lost the debate.