If Obama wins reelection, do you wish the current recession to continue?
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Question: If Obama wins reelection, do you want the US to go in another recession?
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Maybe
 
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Not sure
 
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« Reply #25 on: October 18, 2012, 03:19:58 PM »

I voted yes in this poll because the premise of the question is ridiculous!
Yea the question is pretty ridiculous, I though it was: "do you think the US will go into another recession?"
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« Reply #26 on: October 18, 2012, 03:20:21 PM »

Uh, No! But I sadly believe we might Sad
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« Reply #27 on: October 18, 2012, 03:21:56 PM »

It's self evident that we're in a stagflation economy and it's only getting worse.

It is self evident we're in a classic debt-deflation economy.  There's no inflation at all.
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« Reply #28 on: October 18, 2012, 03:25:08 PM »

What kind of person, exactly, do you think is going to vote yes? Huh
There's already 2 yes votes, and 4 no votes.  Apparently somebody does, not saying it's a good idea.  My point of the poll, if people still vote for Obama, do they not care enough about fiscal issues, and believe an Obama 2nd term will turn the US around after the last 4 years?  It's self evident that we're in a stagflation economy and it's only getting worse.

You. Fail. Economics. Forever.
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« Reply #29 on: October 18, 2012, 03:26:21 PM »

No, what a stupid question to ask.

This is election 2012, not 2004.

The answer to "If Bush wins reelection, do you want the US to go in another recession?" would also have been a resounding "no" from any sane person.

No, I know, but I just mean that it's just totally not gonna happen.

An average president reelected by the tiniest of margins only for the economy to be thrown into recession and him become the most unpopular president in generations within the second term.
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« Reply #30 on: October 18, 2012, 03:36:36 PM »

Anyway I should answer the question - since the two options are either recession or very slow growth regardless of who wins, it's preferable that we have a recession since that may lead to the loss of power by the global elites. There are other scenarios to consider, but one of them is impossible under current austerity regime worldwide - a boom which could lead to the increasing power of the working class if they start demanding higher wages. But among realistic options I'd prefer a recession out of the two realistic options because i dislike capitalism and especially hate neoliberalism, and a recession is the option that's most likely to discredit the current system, and possibilty for high wages and low profits and victories of the oppressed in democratic election systems(not the USA). Another scenario is depression, while it couldstart the use of opebo's favorite method of execution, but the most likely result would be opposite, there are too many jails, weapons and police officers employed today for that to be possible, so the events following a depression would likely be worse than the status quo, some form of fascism(but since  a few places are already heading that way, it might only make a few years of difference).
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« Reply #31 on: October 18, 2012, 03:38:04 PM »

Anyway I should answer the question - since the two options are either recession or very slow growth regardless of who wins, it's preferable that we have a recession since that may lead to the loss of power by the global elites. There are other scenarios to consider, but one of them is impossible under current austerity regime worldwide - a boom which could lead to the increasing power of the working class if they start demanding higher wages. But among realistic options I'd prefer a recession out of the two realistic options because i dislike capitalism and especially hate neoliberalism, and a recession is the option that's most likely to discredit the current system, and possibilty for high wages and low profits and victories of the oppressed in democratic election systems(not the USA). Another scenario is depression, while it couldstart the use of opebo's favorite method of execution, but the most likely result would be opposite, there are too many jails, weapons and police officers employed today for that to be possible, so the events following a depression would likely be worse than the status quo, some form of fascism(but since  a few places are already heading that way, it might only make a few years of difference).
Thank you for an honest response.  That's what I'm looking for.
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« Reply #32 on: October 18, 2012, 03:50:15 PM »

I know you get your information from breitbart and sites linked to Alex Jones and other assorted conspiracy theorists and related nut bags... But you need to get a grip!

The US is NOT, repeat NOT headed for stagflation - the risks posed to the US economy are mostly external, and it won't make a tinkers cuss worth of good who's in the White House. And considering the Romney/Ryan plan has strong similarities to the European austerity which have worked SO WELL, that that situation is what could trigger and WORLDWIDE recession.

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« Reply #33 on: October 18, 2012, 03:55:53 PM »

I know you get your information from breitbart and sites linked to Alex Jones and other assorted conspiracy theorists and related nut bags... But you need to get a grip!

The US is NOT, repeat NOT headed for stagflation - the risks posed to the US economy are mostly external, and it won't make a tinkers cuss worth of good who's in the White House. And considering the Romney/Ryan plan has strong similarities to the European austerity which have worked SO WELL, that that situation is what could trigger and WORLDWIDE recession.


I think a cyclical boom followed by a recession would be classified as an internal cause. But the other likely causes would be external(European economy failing or Chinese card house falling apart).
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« Reply #34 on: October 18, 2012, 04:25:10 PM »

The five that voted Yes are true HP's...
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« Reply #35 on: October 18, 2012, 04:33:33 PM »

This question should be "do Obama voters have any common sense?" or even "do democrats understand the basics of economic policy?" as the rush of dems proposing outlandish theories (a boom that lasts only a few months?? =not a boom)(risks to us economy mostly external = laughable) proves they seriously lack the wherewithal to see past their noses.
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« Reply #36 on: October 18, 2012, 04:38:18 PM »

This question should be "do Obama voters have any common sense?" or even "do democrats understand the basics of economic policy?" as the rush of dems proposing outlandish theories (a boom that lasts only a few months?? =not a boom)(risks to us economy mostly external = laughable) proves they seriously lack the wherewithal to see past their noses.
I should have specified housing boom.
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« Reply #37 on: October 18, 2012, 04:55:54 PM »

This question should be "do Obama voters have any common sense?" or even "do democrats understand the basics of economic policy?" as the rush of dems proposing outlandish theories (a boom that lasts only a few months?? =not a boom)(risks to us economy mostly external = laughable) proves they seriously lack the wherewithal to see past their noses.
I should have specified housing boom.

Specify all you want but most states need to see a few consecutive years of boom-like growth to even get back the value that has been lost in the last few years. Additionally those #s show an increase in housing starts etc compared to one year ago. So comparing crap to crap still nets you nothing but crap even with 15% growth in that area.
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« Reply #38 on: October 18, 2012, 05:01:06 PM »

I voted yes, because actually letting everything crash and then recover would finally let the economy get out of the debt/deflation cycle that's been exacerbated by Obama's massive public spending and bank bailouts.
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« Reply #39 on: October 18, 2012, 06:17:10 PM »


Why? do you have any proof that it will?
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« Reply #40 on: October 18, 2012, 07:02:09 PM »


Of course! It is scientifically proven than reelecting Kenyan Muslim Socialists in office generates a 5% drop in GDP within 23 days following election day.
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« Reply #41 on: October 18, 2012, 07:27:51 PM »

No, what a stupid question to ask.

This is election 2012, not 2004.

The answer to "If Bush wins reelection, do you want the US to go in another recession?" would also have been a resounding "no" from any sane person.

The right answer would have been "I hope he gets away with it"  in 2004 and the same answer in 2012 no matter who wins. 
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« Reply #42 on: October 18, 2012, 07:33:19 PM »

Lets hunt down everyone who voted yes. Absurd.
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« Reply #43 on: October 18, 2012, 07:46:51 PM »

This topic is disgraceful. Please delete.
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« Reply #44 on: October 18, 2012, 07:48:58 PM »

Anyone who votes yes, except those who did it in protest or just trolling, has serious mental problems. And yes, 5280 is one of those people. I think he might have snapped. He needs to be transported to Texas ASAP.
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« Reply #45 on: October 18, 2012, 07:50:05 PM »

Anyone who votes yes, except those who did it in protest or just trolling, has serious mental problems. And yes, 5280 is one of those people. I think he might have snapped. He needs to be transported to Texas ASAP.
I didn't vote yes if you're asking.
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« Reply #46 on: October 18, 2012, 07:58:15 PM »

"another" implies we actually ever got out of the last one.

Your question is improperly phrased... should be "do you wish the current recession to continue..."
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« Reply #47 on: October 18, 2012, 08:01:21 PM »

"another" implies we actually ever got out of the last one.

Your question is improperly phrased... should be "do you wish the current recession to continue..."
I'll change it...
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« Reply #48 on: October 18, 2012, 08:31:39 PM »

"another" implies we actually ever got out of the last one.

Your question is improperly phrased... should be "do you wish the current recession to continue..."

Do you know what a recession means? Sorry if economic data doesn't fit your talking points...
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« Reply #49 on: October 18, 2012, 09:05:34 PM »

"another" implies we actually ever got out of the last one.

Your question is improperly phrased... should be "do you wish the current recession to continue..."

Do you know what a recession means? Sorry if economic data doesn't fit your talking points...

technically defined,  a recession as two consecutive quarters of decline in GDP.

By this arbitrary standard, the US left the recession 3 years ago.

If you take a more realistic definition that actually reflects peoples lives, which is GDP per capita, the nation is still in recession as GDP growth has been less than population growth.

This is consistent with the $4300 per family DROP in median family income reported by BLS since Obama has become President.

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