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Peter the Lefty
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« on: October 23, 2012, 05:41:23 PM »

...with HHH as his running mate?  Or would it have to be a Southerner? 
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« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2012, 05:53:09 PM »

Has to be LBJ unless he wants to make a Midwestern ploy. In which case Nixon could counter with a VP more appealing to that demographic like Hugh Scott or Kenneth Keating since the GOP convention is after the Dem. Another reason why JFK picked LBJ was to get him out of the Senate and essentially neuter his influence (which had been declining since the '58 liberal influx anyways) there, which remained a factor regardless of regional strategy.
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« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2012, 09:09:26 PM »

I don't think that JFK could have won with Humphrey as VP.  Kennedy had Stuart Symington waiting in the wings should LBJ turn him down, as per David Pietruska's "1960".

The interesting angle to this scenario is the effect a Humphrey VP choice would have had on the plot to run Unpledged Democratic Electors on the ballot in several southern states as per Pietruska's book.  This was a last-ditch effort by segregationist elements in the Democratic Party to deprive JFK of a victory and to bargain their votes for a change in the Federal policy as to enforcement of Civil Rights Legislation.

LBJ almost single handidly foiled this effort, still 13 Democratic Electors voted for Sen. Harry F. Byrd for President.  Had Humphrey, with his vocal support for Civil Rights been Kennedy's VP choice, the number of successful unpledged elector slates would have grown, depriving Kennedy of the victory and either giving the election to Nixon or thowing it into the House of Representatives. 

This would have been payback for Humphrey's Civil Rights speech at the 1948 Democratic Convention, causing several southern delegations to walk out and run Strom Thurmond as their Stae's Rights Party (Dixiecrat) candidate. 

I also don't believe that either Rep. Scott or Sen. Keating would have either made a difference in the outcome nor were either of them under any reported consideration for Nixon's running mate.  I do believe that he may have chosen either Gerald Ford or Thurston Morton to counter a Humphrey, if not a Symington VP candidacy. 

Nixon chose U.N. Secretary Henry Cabot Lodge as his VP. pick, eschewing a regional strategy and, by picking Lodge, trying to focus the campaign on international issues.  The possibility of losing key Midwestern States, the heart of any successful GOP Presidential Campaign, might make Nixon switch to one of his two final VP choices.
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« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2012, 04:28:25 PM »

Mayor Daley just has to stuff a few more ballots in Chicago.  Even without Texas he would've won the electoral vote.
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« Reply #4 on: December 31, 2012, 03:22:53 AM »

With Humphrey as JFK's runningmate, slates of unpledged Democratic Electors would have appeared in not only Alabama and Mississippi, but in the Carolinas, Georgia, Florida and Texas.  With two slates of electors splitting the Democratic vote and with an avowed Civil Rights supporter on the National Democratic ticket, many of these states would have either gone Republican or the unpledged slates would have won, depriving JFK of the necessary 270 votes to elect him as President.

With Humphrey on the ticket, either Nixon would have won in 1960 or the election would have been thrown into the House of Representatives.
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« Reply #5 on: December 31, 2012, 12:34:17 PM »

With Humphrey as JFK's runningmate, slates of unpledged Democratic Electors would have appeared in not only Alabama and Mississippi, but in the Carolinas, Georgia, Florida and Texas.  With two slates of electors splitting the Democratic vote and with an avowed Civil Rights supporter on the National Democratic ticket, many of these states would have either gone Republican or the unpledged slates would have won, depriving JFK of the necessary 270 votes to elect him as President.

With Humphrey on the ticket, either Nixon would have won in 1960 or the election would have been thrown into the House of Representatives.

The House was strongly Democratic but maybe enough southerners line up behind whoever the unpledged electors choose to rally behind?
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