SENATE BILL: Additional Expansion of Emergency Credit Act (Tabled)

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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Sponsor: Marokai Blue

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Senator, you 24 hours to advocate for this in a substantive fashion.


Only took a whole Senate to get through all of your first wave of overall inferior bills.


Do the credit markets present a significant hindrance to small business formation and on-going operations like it did back in 2009? That is the key to determining whether this will work. If not, then I will likely oppose this out of a desire to not goose up a bubble in small business.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Marokai, I don't have be PPT to make this disappear.


You have just about 2 hours left on this.

[Marokai Backbeat]

Do the credit markets present a significant hindrance to small business formation and on-going operations like it did back in 2009? That is the key to determining whether this will work. If not, then I will likely oppose this out of a desire to not goose up a bubble in small business.

I suppose we'd need the GM for the definitive say on that, but credit has never really been as mobile as it needs to be, and if the economy isn't moving, this is a comparatively small investment to make to prodding the economy forward. My reasons remain the same from the first time I proposed it and when I proposed extending it the first time as well. I think it's incredibly beneficial and in addition to other economic proposals I've brought up (the wages bill being one) assists in small business formation and the continuance of on-going operations. Perhaps we should get Shua in here, if possible?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Motion to table, since Marokai blasted through my deadline with reckless abandon and we need some consequences around here, not free passes.


Whether this gets seconded or not, is up to you Marokai. My suggestion is stay available.

[Marokai Backbeat]

My body is always available for you, Yankee.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I second Yankee's motion to table.

I forgot, most of you guys are new so just to be clear, are you seconding just because I motioned or because you actually think the bill is bad or something?

When a sponsor violates my 24 hour rule, I automatically motion to table. It is an incentive to ensure they don't violate that. However, once I do make the motion, I don't want it seconded unless the sponsor stays missing or disappears a second time, only then should it be seconded. Does that make sense? The minute someone seconds it for other reasons, my motion is withdrawn (It doesn't say I can't do that. ). Those other reasons may be legitimate even, but this carve out is designed for a specific purpose its effectiveness might wan if it becomes blurred.

It isn't the traditional use of the procedure, it is something I cooked up back when I think Wormyguy would introduce a bill then vanish as it came to the floor. I plan to expand this "strategic use" both here and in other areas this Senate.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Marokai contacted the GM yet about those questions? Can we get a status update on how that is going, please?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

In that case, I withdraw the motion to table.


Nix's second is a now to be considered as seperate motion to table and in need of a second.


I am borderline agreeing with you, at this point, ironically.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

GOD DAMN IT MAROKAI!!!!

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I definately second the Nix motion, Marokai. THIS YOU LAST CHANCE!!!!!

[Marokai Backbeat]

I've PMed Shua. If he doesn't comment about the issue in the next day or two, I'll support the motion to table myself. For the moment I ask you withdraw it. And also calm down.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Access to credit still is a hindrance to small business, though not as much as in 2009.  This is as much symptom as cause of small businesses' troubles - lending institutions aren't likely to lend when they see the large proportion of small businesses that can't succeed given low consumer spending, labor and start-up costs, etc.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I didn't mean to second it yesterday, I meant to say "I definately will..."


So yes second withdrawn.


Not on your life Marokai.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

So what would be a recommended course of action.


I worry about throwing credit at a market that can't utilize it.

Marokai over-goosing supply. Yep, conservative values!

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Where is this going here?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Motion to Table under my new rolling 72 hour rule for sponsors. Once again, after the first 24 hour rule, I am now going to table any bill where the sponsor is gone longer then 72 hours and direct questions aimed at them haven't been answered.


Motion to Table


I withdraw if he responds, ask for a second if he doesn't.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I know, the problem is yours is for a different reason. I am trying to prod Marokai in the ass, you are wanting to table the bill for the bill itself.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

It does until I find out it doesn't.


And I don't see where it does, so I will use this and every other advantage to force activity and get things moving.


You could also just find another Senator who will second it on the merits of the bill and end it all that way.

[HagridOfTheDeep]

I second Nix's motion.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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The underlying bill has a motion to table filed by Senator Nix, and it has been seconded by another senator duly choosen and sworn. A vote is now open on the motion to table the underlying bill. This is a 2/3rds vote and will last for 48 hours.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

Nay

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

AYE!

The sponsor never gave a satisfactory response to the GM's feedback and thus no clear need for this has been established, in spite of the fact that we have had over three days for such to have occured.

[HagridOfTheDeep]

Aye

[Simfan34]

Aye.