No Republicans, welfare, food stamps and "free stuff" did not re-elect Obama

[Devils30]

This idea is complete garbage and not supported by any facts whatsoever. Look at where Romney improved the most. In WV, white areas such as McDowell, Mingo, Logan counties had another HUGE GOP swing and a ton of poor whites in these areas receive government benefits.
Contrast that with the places Obama more or less retained his 2008 performance. The GOP talked about how Romney was tailor made for the rich suburbs. However, Obama held his 2008 numbers in Loudoun, Fairfax VA, Somerset NJ, Delaware PA. I know Republicans don't enjoy numerical data but a simple map analysis throws cold water on the garbage you're hearing from Rush and co.

[Marnetmar]

Where are you getting the idea that the majority of conservatives believe this is the sole reason he was re-elected in the first place?

[Devils30]

Ughhh, listen to Bill O'Reilly, Rush...about those who "want stuff" and "santa claus"

[Torie]

It would be nice if we could ease up on this sort of thing a bit. It is not helpful to characterize the opposition as a sea of delusional, ignorant idiots. Both parties have their coalitions made up of various parts, who vote the way they do for a variety of reasons. One size does not fit all. To suggest that we Pubs all think otherwise is kind of demeaning really. But carry on. I am not so delusional as to believe that any of this schadenfreude can be deflected.

[rob in cal]

   I'd like to see an overall nationwide map of welfare, foodstamp etc receipient %, and see the correlation.  Of course if one is dependent on the taxpayers for getting by in life, there is a strong motivation to vote for that party which will be most likely to continue such policies. Obviously, lots of poor whites vote GOP, and I think the number was 2% of black single moms do as well.
   I'm really fascinated with the overall appeal of the Dems to wealthy areas.  Is it the "social issues", war and peace, the environment, a more globalist outlook on things, a little of all those perhaps?

[Scabr]

The Midwest came out lock, stock and barrel for Obama because they liked that Obama shelled out millions to bail out their industry. Romney, in one of his few principled stands, opposed this. While it wasn't necessarily the food stamps, Obama dolling out goodies definitely helped him.

[All Along The Watchtower]

  I'm really fascinated with the overall appeal of the Dems to wealthy areas.  Is it the "social issues", war and peace, the environment, a more globalist outlook on things, a little of all those perhaps?

Or perhaps the Democrats aren't the scary socialists the GOP makes them out to be.

[Lief 🗽]

The Midwest came out lock, stock and barrel for Obama because they liked that Obama shelled out millions to bail out their industry. Romney, in one of his few principled stands, opposed this. While it wasn't necessarily the food stamps, Obama dolling out goodies definitely helped him.

Obama saved an historic American industry. I guess the auto workers should have been "principled" like brave Mitt Romney and accepted their unemployment and loss of pensions and healthcare instead.

[Scabr]

The Midwest came out lock, stock and barrel for Obama because they liked that Obama shelled out millions to bail out their industry. Romney, in one of his few principled stands, opposed this. While it wasn't necessarily the food stamps, Obama dolling out goodies definitely helped him.

Obama saved an historic American industry. I guess the auto workers should have been "principled" like brave Mitt Romney and accepted their unemployment and loss of pensions and healthcare instead.

Obama did not save a 'historic American industry.' The taxpayer money went straight to the UAW, which received a golden parachute to avoid concessions which would have helped out the auto industry in their competitive position.

[old timey villain]

I hope people like Rush and Bill O'Reilly continue to delude themselves into thinking that every Obama voter is a lazy freeloader. And they should continue to go on the radio and TV and spout that off every chance they get and convince other Republicans as well. It's such a winning strategy- FOR DEMOCRATS!

[Devils30]

My thread wasn't to personally attack any Republicans here. Just saying the garbage from some in conservative media circles is untrue and not backed up by numbers.

[Lief 🗽]

The Midwest came out lock, stock and barrel for Obama because they liked that Obama shelled out millions to bail out their industry. Romney, in one of his few principled stands, opposed this. While it wasn't necessarily the food stamps, Obama dolling out goodies definitely helped him.

Obama saved an historic American industry. I guess the auto workers should have been "principled" like brave Mitt Romney and accepted their unemployment and loss of pensions and healthcare instead.

Obama did not save a 'historic American industry.' The taxpayer money went straight to the UAW, which received a golden parachute to avoid concessions which would have helped out the auto industry in their competitive position.

Well, the people who actually run the auto industry disagree with you there, but nice anti-union propaganda bro.

[Indy Texas]

It would be nice if we could ease up on this sort of thing a bit. It is not helpful to characterize the opposition as a sea of delusional, ignorant idiots. Both parties have their coalitions made up of various parts, who vote the way they do for a variety of reasons. One size does not fit all. To suggest that we Pubs all think otherwise is kind of demeaning really. But carry on. I am not so delusional as to believe that any of this schadenfreude can be deflected.

Then tell the rest of your party to stop making it so easy.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

This idea is complete garbage and not supported by any facts whatsoever. Look at where Romney improved the most. In WV, white areas such as McDowell, Mingo, Logan counties had another HUGE GOP swing and a ton of poor whites in these areas receive government benefits.
Contrast that with the places Obama more or less retained his 2008 performance. The GOP talked about how Romney was tailor made for the rich suburbs. However, Obama held his 2008 numbers in Loudoun, Fairfax VA, Somerset NJ, Delaware PA. I know Republicans don't enjoy numerical data but a simple map analysis throws cold water on the garbage you're hearing from Rush and co.

You know this? It's the first I've heard of it.

[Antonio the Sixth]

This idea is complete garbage and not supported by any facts whatsoever. Look at where Romney improved the most. In WV, white areas such as McDowell, Mingo, Logan counties had another HUGE GOP swing and a ton of poor whites in these areas receive government benefits.
Contrast that with the places Obama more or less retained his 2008 performance. The GOP talked about how Romney was tailor made for the rich suburbs. However, Obama held his 2008 numbers in Loudoun, Fairfax VA, Somerset NJ, Delaware PA. I know Republicans don't enjoy numerical data but a simple map analysis throws cold water on the garbage you're hearing from Rush and co.

You know this? It's the first I've heard of it.

Look at Romney's tax plan. Or at the guys who criticized Nate Silver throughout the campaign.

[Wisconsin+17]

Right, because Democrats are the party that believes in cutting welfare and food stamps.

[opebo]

Right, because Democrats are the party that believes in cutting welfare and food stamps.

There's really nothing left to cut, BK.

[Badger]

The Midwest came out lock, stock and barrel for Obama because they liked that Obama shelled out millions to bail out their industry. Romney, in one of his few principled stands, opposed this. While it wasn't necessarily the food stamps, Obama dolling out goodies definitely helped him.

Obama saved an historic American industry. I guess the auto workers should have been "principled" like brave Mitt Romney and accepted their unemployment and loss of pensions and healthcare instead.

Obama did not save a 'historic American industry.' The taxpayer money went straight to the UAW, which received a golden parachute to avoid concessions which would have helped out the auto industry in their competitive position.

The taxpayers got their money back with interest from the "bailout". The amount of tax revenue, foreclosurrers, small businesses, and so on and so on, saved by the "bailout" was enourmous.

The "free market" was not the best choice to any hardnosed, dollars and cents analysis of the situation. Nor even remotely so on any human level of empathy and helping one another when down. Only to those ideologues who would've never been personally touched by letting the US auto industry go bankrupt en masse was the rescue a "gaiure".

But keep hoping for autoworkers to ean "competative" wages like their Chinese and Mexicanb counterparts. I'm sure that'll reap wonderful benefits for the US econmy when the average industrial wage drops to under $10/hour.

[Wisconsin+17]

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If you exempted all entitlement spending, and cut everything else to absolutely nothing - you would still have a deficit, which would grow each year from here on out.

Cutbacks are coming. Obama can spend as he has without bankrupting the US - but after that? The train stops. We'll be up to 180 percent debt to GDP - same as Greece.

[nhmagic]

Actually - yeah it did.  The takers beat the makers this election.  Though it was a combination of that plus the abysmal ads Obama ran against Romney.  The murder/felon ones were a nice touch.

Obama promised goodies to every single interest group in the democratic party he could.  Gay marriage to the gays, more spending to the teachers unions, more bailouts as necessary to auto industry states, tax punishment/vengeance against successful people for those who have no control of their lives, "free" contraception to homely women like Sandra Fluke who make $150,000 a year, amnesty for illegals, and it goes on and on.

What's worse is that this is a no win situation for conservatives.  If the economy crashes, more people will be put on government assistance and be ever more dependent.  If the economy rebounds due to the sheer resiliency of this country, Obama's policies will get the credit. 

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

Obama promised goodies to every single interest group in the democratic party he could.  Gay marriage to the gays

Dang freeloaders.

[Mechaman]

Of course welfare, food stamps, and "free stuff" did not re-elect Obama.  The mind numbingly stupid and incompetent GOP who were damned intent on nominating crazy yahoos to run for office and then go onto make some bizarrely stupid and crazy statements that defy common sense and decency whilst forcing their hardline views on the presidential candidate, who for some weird reason was thought of as a "moderate", helped re-elect Obama.

Team Democrats should really write a thank you letter to their Republican colleagues, for making this election thing so easy.  Any other halfway competent, sane, and otherwise somewhat logical Republican Party would've had a good chance of getting back Congress (not just the House) in 2010 and almost be assured of winning control in 2012.  But no, the crazies, in a way to defy the laws of nature, saw fit to damn as many chances as the Republican had in all cases.  The only saving grace for the GOP this year was the gerrymanders they put into effect, guaranteeing survival for otherwise vulnerable reps. It'll never cease to amaze me how a party could so efficiently flush most of the gains they made in the past few years down the toilet just to please some morons who sniff paintspray and think that Jesus road dinosaurs.

So go ahead Republicans, give yourself a pat on the back for helping re-elect the socialist, communist, godless, atheistic, Muslamic Raygun President.  I'm sure he needs it after his daily ritual of goddamning America.

[Devils30]

And Romney promised his donors/lobbyists more tax cuts, your point is? Someone is a sore loser!

Actually - yeah it did.  The takers beat the makers this election.  Though it was a combination of that plus the abysmal ads Obama ran against Romney.  The murder/felon ones were a nice touch.

Obama promised goodies to every single interest group in the democratic party he could.  Gay marriage to the gays, more spending to the teachers unions, more bailouts as necessary to auto industry states, tax punishment/vengeance against successful people for those who have no control of their lives, "free" contraception to homely women like Sandra Fluke who make $150,000 a year, amnesty for illegals, and it goes on and on.

What's worse is that this is a no win situation for conservatives.  If the economy crashes, more people will be put on government assistance and be ever more dependent.  If the economy rebounds due to the sheer resiliency of this country, Obama's policies will get the credit.  

[© tweed]

  I'm really fascinated with the overall appeal of the Dems to wealthy areas.  Is it the "social issues", war and peace, the environment, a more globalist outlook on things, a little of all those perhaps?

Or perhaps the Democrats aren't the scary socialists the GOP makes them out to be.

the Dems are the less likely to sell you the rope you can hang them with.

[nhmagic]

And Romney promised his donors/lobbyists more tax cuts, your point is? Someone is a sore loser!

Actually - yeah it did.  The takers beat the makers this election.  Though it was a combination of that plus the abysmal ads Obama ran against Romney.  The murder/felon ones were a nice touch.

Obama promised goodies to every single interest group in the democratic party he could.  Gay marriage to the gays, more spending to the teachers unions, more bailouts as necessary to auto industry states, tax punishment/vengeance against successful people for those who have no control of their lives, "free" contraception to homely women like Sandra Fluke who make $150,000 a year, amnesty for illegals, and it goes on and on.

What's worse is that this is a no win situation for conservatives.  If the economy crashes, more people will be put on government assistance and be ever more dependent.  If the economy rebounds due to the sheer resiliency of this country, Obama's policies will get the credit.  

You're darn right I'm a sore loser.  A good loser is always a loser.  Your president is a sore loser too (yet he won) - go read about his basketball trash talking.  Romney didn't promise tax cuts for his donors/lobbyists.  He promised them for businesses in general and promised to keep the Bush tax cuts in place for everyone.  Plus, tax cuts aren't giveaways - the money already belongs to the American people and businesses prior to it being raided.

What at first was plunder assumed he softer name of revenue.  Thomas Paine