Vote counting update thread

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

High turnout is not a good thing if a bunch of ignorant and uninformed people are voting.  I'd rather there be just 30% turnout if the 30% are very informed and engaged on the issues.

I guess you don't quite get the point of democracy...

(obligatory "democracy is the worst form of government except all the others")

The solution, of course, is not to discourage turnout but to make sure there is both high turnout and an educated electorate.

[Frodo]

High turnout is not a good thing if a bunch of ignorant and uninformed people are voting.  I'd rather there be just 30% turnout if the 30% are very informed and engaged on the issues.

With views like yours, you definitely chose the right political party to join....      

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

High turnout is not a good thing if a bunch of ignorant and uninformed people are voting.  I'd rather there be just 30% turnout if the 30% are very informed and engaged on the issues.

With views like yours, you definitely chose the right political party to join....      

So you are saying that Democrats are the party of uninformed voters?  I thought the Democratic mantra was that if only Republican voters were educated as to how Republican policies are bad for them they'd vote for Democrats?

[Frodo]

High turnout is not a good thing if a bunch of ignorant and uninformed people are voting.  I'd rather there be just 30% turnout if the 30% are very informed and engaged on the issues.

With views like yours, you definitely chose the right political party to join....      

So you are saying that Democrats are the party of uninformed voters?  I thought the Democratic mantra was that if only Republican voters were educated as to how Republican policies are bad for them they'd vote for Democrats?

His elitism is consistent with Republican efforts to narrow the electorate through any means necessary.  

And besides, how did he suddenly decide that these voters were 'ignorant' or 'uninformed'? Or does that only apply, in his mind, when they vote Democratic? 

[Beet]

The Democrats are the party of the relatively more downtrodden. One of the characteristics of the relatively more downtrodden is less knowledge about politics, and less engagement. It's not anything for Democrats to be proud of, but it'll be true so long as the party draws more of the lower class and other marginalized people. However, Democrats also do better among those with graduate degrees than those with merely bachelor's degrees, and they seem to do very well with academics and journalists who are the most informed of all. So the Democrats seem to occupy the two extremes here.

[AndyAJS]

Interesting to note that Obama leads by 4,682,797 overall, in CA by 3,014,312 and NY by 1,700,644. So Romney leads by 32,159 in the rest of US outside those two states.

[Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck]

Interesting to note that Obama leads by 4,682,797 overall, in CA by 3,014,312 and NY by 1,700,644. So Romney leads by 32,159 in the rest of US outside those two states.

NY + CA = real 'murica

[Benj]

Interesting to note that Obama leads by 4,682,797 overall, in CA by 3,014,312 and NY by 1,700,644. So Romney leads by 32,159 in the rest of US outside those two states.

Obama would still win the EV 248-206 on that result, though. In fact, you could take out all of the 60+% Obama states, and Obama would still win the EV, 213-206, if I did the math right.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Any news about counting in NY?

[memphis]

At this speed of vote counting, God forbid CA or NY ever become the deciding state in an election..

[Miles]

Any news about counting in NY?

Dave Wasserman says Obama is 'down' to 62.4%. As of Friday, there were still about 600K votes out but Obama should win about 70% of them.

[politicallefty]

Romney falls to 59.8% in Nebraska at certification. That gives me another point in my prediction.

[The Mikado]

Only seven states left uncertified, and NY is the only one left with a significant number of uncounted votes as far as I can tell.  It will end up somewhere in the neighborhood of Obama 66 million votes, Romney 61 million.

[Tender Branson]

NY and CA should have certified numbers in 1 week.

[Tender Branson]

Romney falls to 59.8% in Nebraska at certification. That gives me another point in my prediction.

Where did you get those numbers from ?

[politicallefty]

Romney falls to 59.8% in Nebraska at certification. That gives me another point in my prediction.

Where did you get those numbers from ?

That's according to Wasserman. I don't know where he got it, but I trust his numbers.

Apparently, NYC will be reporting some updated numbers today.

[memphis]

Only seven states left uncertified, and NY is the only one left with a significant number of uncounted votes as far as I can tell.  It will end up somewhere in the neighborhood of Obama 66 million votes, Romney 61 million.

So a drop in turnout of about 2% versus 2008? Not too shabby considering 2008 was crazy historic in several key ways, while 2012 saw candidates on both sides that rank and file members of the party were supposed to be unenthusiastic about.

[The Mikado]

Only seven states left uncertified, and NY is the only one left with a significant number of uncounted votes as far as I can tell.  It will end up somewhere in the neighborhood of Obama 66 million votes, Romney 61 million.

So a drop in turnout of about 2% versus 2008? Not too shabby considering 2008 was crazy historic in several key ways, while 2012 saw candidates on both sides that rank and file members of the party were supposed to be unenthusiastic about.

A bit less than a 2% dropoff, probably, because the third party vote is larger than it was in 2008.  I'm thinking that it will be about a 1.5-1.7% drop in number of votes cast.

Of course, thanks to population growth the total potential electorate is bigger, so (my educated-guess prediction for final 2012 vote turnout) 129.3 million vs 131.3 million in 2008 is a somewhat larger dropoff than you might think.

[Lief 🗽]

God, New York sucks.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Yeah, I would say we'd need at least 135M votes to keep up with population growth. Too bad we won't get there.

[Eraserhead]

Still not a bad drop-off at all. Many people were expecting it to be much worse. I certainly was earlier in the year.

Felt like '96 for a while but it ended up becoming '04+.

[Hnv1]

Wee question...as I'm not American I don't understand how they can call an election on election day when actually there were millions of votes uncounted, anyone cares to elaborate?

[Franzl]

Wee question...as I'm not American I don't understand how they can call an election on election day when actually there were millions of votes uncounted, anyone cares to elaborate?

Statistics

[Hnv1]

Wee question...as I'm not American I don't understand how they can call an election on election day when actually there were millions of votes uncounted, anyone cares to elaborate?

Statistics

That's hardly enough to call an election when you only counted 60% of the votes

[Sbane]

Wee question...as I'm not American I don't understand how they can call an election on election day when actually there were millions of votes uncounted, anyone cares to elaborate?

Statistics

That's hardly enough to call an election when you only counted 60% of the votes

If you have all the precincts (or even most of them) with some of the vote in, you can make a very good call. The rest of the votes coming in from that area isn't going to differ significantly from what came before.