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bedstuy
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« on: November 24, 2012, 09:52:37 AM »

It's certainly plausible. Does anyone really think that these areas went 100% for Obama? If you look at the exit polls, you see actual self-identified liberals who voted for Romney and conservatives who voted for Obama. And yet these areas are 100% unified?

Even if it's not literal fraud, it's defacto fraud. Because the only explanation for such overwhelming homogeneity in the vote, other then fraud, is tribal bloc voting that is fundamentally at odds with democracy.

Why is it so hard to believe one candidate could win 99-100% of a precinct?  It's not a huge number of people.  I'm sure there are areas in Utah and Oklahoma where Romney won 100% in certain precincts.  Is that fraud too?

Just for example, my precinct in 2008 was 453 for Obama - 0 for McCain.
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bedstuy
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« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2012, 12:13:42 PM »

So just exclude the nearly 100% black precincts? Yeah, that'd sure make elections fair.
I'm not calling for them to be excluded from democracy, they've excluded themselves from it. Democracy is by definition competitive.

a.) It's perfectly competitive. People were given a choice between 2 candidates (excluding whoever else might have been on the ballot) and an overwhelming majority thought it was in their interests to support the Democrat over the Republican. This also happens to be true. There's nothing Republicans offer that could possibly be in their interests (or in the interests of 90%+ of the population.)

b.) Even going by your (incorrect) understanding of competitiveness, what's your exact definition? Does a group exclude themselves from democracy only if they vote 90%+ for a candidate? Or 80%+? Where do you draw the line?
a)False. Their culture deprives them of the individualism and critical thinking necessary for genuinely free decision making.

And theirs plenty that Republicans could do. Eliminate the abortion that is shredding untold numbers of black babies. Eliminate the minimum wage and other regulations that are hindering their access to employment. Protecting marriage, which is under threat in the black community more then anywhere else.

b)That's for legislatures to decide. But I'm pretty sure 100% is past the cutoff point.


That's clearly racist and illogical thinking.  But who cares about what you think the election results should be?  The 15th amendment and our civil rights laws exist and people can vote for whomever they want.  That's how the system works.  Why bother with all the racist sour grapes? 
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