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« Reply #50 on: December 13, 2012, 03:08:30 PM »

The amendment has been adopted of course.


Debate on this is slackened some. Are there any other areas or concern here that need addressing? (When I ask these types of things it is kind of meant as request to review the text for actual problems, not assume nothing is wrong when you haven't checked or whatever. Tongue).
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« Reply #51 on: December 14, 2012, 02:57:53 PM »

As I was saying. I mean come on its education for christ sake and important part of it and that is teacher quality.


Since no one wants to talk about content, I will talk the process.

I am beginning to think that both from experience of dealing with the comprehensive social security thing that Franzl did, the Healthcare Law change and then the budget, that the best to do "Education Reform" or whatever it is, is to break it up to component bills addressing certain aspect. I think we sort of back are way into doing that with the immigration bill and I think the final result is that rather than have one bill take six months, we got three done addressing two component aspects of it, the Dreamers and STEM. We are working on another for high skilled workers currently. I think it would best to continue in that strategy, rather then to go "comprehensive", wihch we have neither the resources and as we learned with CSS and other things, and take months.
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« Reply #52 on: December 14, 2012, 09:31:57 PM »

I'm hearing that opposition exists to this bill, but I'm not hearing that opposition articulated- why do some of you oppose this bill?
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« Reply #53 on: December 15, 2012, 08:31:09 AM »

I now lean toward supporting this. The AIT seems like a relatively hands-off, low-cost means via which the federal government can improve the effectiveness of primary and secondary education in Atlasia.

I agree though on the flip side, I don't forsee much mileage from this on its own, unless it is coupled with subsequent and further action. It is such a deep sub issue but an essential one in order to seriously fix our education problems.

Shouldn't we establish some kind of standards or guidelines for these NTLE tests? Or atleast detail a process of who creates and administers them, not to mention who pays for it.
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« Reply #54 on: December 16, 2012, 04:12:44 PM »

Come on people. Who is making up these tests and what guidelines will be followed? Who will make those guidelines? Who administers it? Who will pay for administering it? It ain't Christmas yet, start talking to me.


If this group does it, then should that be stated in more detail?
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« Reply #55 on: December 17, 2012, 01:24:35 PM »
« Edited: December 19, 2012, 09:39:27 PM by HagridOfTheDeep »

All right, I don't know if this amendment does what you want it to do or if the proposed solutions are agreeable, but here goes.

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I was really at a loss for the funding section. I largely based it off of how the Ontario College of Teachers (OCT) seems to operate. I'm really not sure if these funds are the organization's only source of revenue, but we might as well start here. The AIT and OCT seem quite similar.

I'm very open to suggestions if this amendment fails, and I'm also open to changes in the amended text if it passes. I know this is Simfan's baby, but I thought I might as well give us something to talk about.
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« Reply #56 on: December 17, 2012, 03:31:00 PM »

We are heading in the right direction atleast now.


Simfan, what do you think?
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« Reply #57 on: December 17, 2012, 07:02:28 PM »

I have no problem with it sans the funding mechanisms- perhaps they're perhaps a little too steep? Otherwise I fully approve.
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« Reply #58 on: December 17, 2012, 09:17:36 PM »

A quick google search says there are 6.2 million teachers in the United States Atlasia. That would put revenues at $806 million per year, not including the test money (6.2 million x $130). That does seem a little high for administering a test. I see no problem with lowering the fees. What would you suggest?

Yankee, would it be better to pass the current amendment and go from there, or change the amendment right now?

(Also, for later... Maybe we could include a provision that encourages/forces the AIT to donate all profits to the DoIA for redistribution to the regional education boards?)
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« Reply #59 on: December 18, 2012, 01:20:23 AM »

I'd be all for lowering both the test fee and membership fee to both $50- though I, again, am somewhat wary of involuntary "membership dues".

I initially modeled the AIT on the American Atlasian Institute of Architects, thought I suppose your  Ontario College of Teachers is a better comparison really. The test should be self-sustaining, that is, the cost of it should be covered by the fee, and any dues should go to administrative costs, and I have no idea how much of those are needed. I'm personally fine with leaving those unspecified and to the AIT itself to determine.
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« Reply #60 on: December 18, 2012, 05:07:38 PM »

Since Simfan didn't specifically approve amendment and flagged the funding portion, perhaps it should be altered first and then reoffered.
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« Reply #61 on: December 19, 2012, 06:42:36 PM »

I'd say so.
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« Reply #62 on: December 19, 2012, 09:41:38 PM »

All right. Sorry for the delay... I had to make an emergency trip to Buffalo.

Simfan: I made the cost changes to the amendment above. Is it now friendly? I agree that charging teachers isn't great, but I do think it's the best option. It keeps the AIT self-sufficient and at a reasonable distance from the federal budget.
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« Reply #63 on: December 19, 2012, 10:17:49 PM »

Emergency trip to Buffalo? How exciting!

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« Reply #64 on: December 20, 2012, 05:54:58 PM »

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« Reply #65 on: December 22, 2012, 08:06:07 PM »

Seeing no objections, the amendment has been adopted. If no concerns are raised by tomorrow morning (at which time I expect to be on again), then I shall commence a final determination of the matter at that time.
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« Reply #66 on: December 23, 2012, 12:28:18 PM »

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« Reply #67 on: December 24, 2012, 12:56:29 AM »

DOES ANYONE OBJECT TO THE BILL, OR SHALL I GO TO SLEEP EXPECTING THIS TO PASS!?
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« Reply #68 on: December 24, 2012, 08:39:28 PM »

Senators, this bill is now at final vote, please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.
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« Reply #69 on: December 24, 2012, 11:58:40 PM »

AYE!
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« Reply #70 on: December 25, 2012, 12:27:47 AM »

I urge the Senate to pass this bill!
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« Reply #71 on: December 25, 2012, 12:55:25 AM »

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« Reply #72 on: December 25, 2012, 01:32:06 AM »

Aye

To be honest, I only offered my amendment to get the process going... I was unsure how I'd vote even after I proposed it. After thinking about it though, I believe the bill strikes a good balance between the regions, the federal government, and the teachers as an independent "unit." It's not a federal takeover (regions get a say), but it should still help to improve the quality of Atlasia's teachers. So it gets my support. Smiley
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« Reply #73 on: December 25, 2012, 03:17:44 AM »

AYE
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« Reply #74 on: December 25, 2012, 10:34:36 AM »

Aye...
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