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« Reply #225 on: July 15, 2015, 06:13:44 PM »

Tsipras lost 38 MPs voting either no or present.

Where can one look up the results?
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« Reply #226 on: July 15, 2015, 06:14:27 PM »

Saw it through a Greek journalist in my Twitter feed.
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« Reply #227 on: July 15, 2015, 06:33:58 PM »

When will the greek electorate learn that A loan is NOT FREE MONEY.

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« Reply #228 on: July 15, 2015, 06:43:50 PM »

Tsipras will stay, but reshuffle imminent and replace anyone who resigns their seat.
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« Reply #229 on: July 15, 2015, 08:09:22 PM »
« Edited: July 15, 2015, 08:32:42 PM by Charlotte Hebdo »

Tsipras lost 38 MPs voting either no or present.

Where can one look up the results?

TOC has a few names:

http://www.thetoc.gr/eng/news/article/parliament-approves-bailout-prior-measures-by-229-votes

"38 SYRIZA lawmakers abstained or voted against the government,  including former Finance Minister Yanis Varoufakis, current Energy Minister Panagiotis Lafazanis, Deputy Labour Minister Dimitris Stratoulis and speaker of parliament Zoe Constantopoulou."
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« Reply #230 on: July 15, 2015, 11:15:50 PM »

Tsipras lost 38 MPs voting either no or present.

Where can one look up the results?

TOC has a few names:

http://www.thetoc.gr/eng/news/article/parliament-approves-bailout-prior-measures-by-229-votes

"38 SYRIZA lawmakers abstained or voted against the government,  including former Finance Minister Yanis Varoufakis, current Energy Minister Panagiotis Lafazanis, Deputy Labour Minister Dimitris Stratoulis and speaker of parliament Zoe Constantopoulou."

I found the full list:

http://www.newsbomb.gr/politikh/voylh/story/607562/yperpsifistike-me-229-psifoys-to-nomosxedio-tis-symfonias-diaforopoiithikan-38-voyleytes-toy-syriza
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« Reply #231 on: July 15, 2015, 11:23:30 PM »

Tsipras lost 38 MPs voting either no or present.

Where can one look up the results?

TOC has a few names:

http://www.thetoc.gr/eng/news/article/parliament-approves-bailout-prior-measures-by-229-votes

"38 SYRIZA lawmakers abstained or voted against the government,  including former Finance Minister Yanis Varoufakis, current Energy Minister Panagiotis Lafazanis, Deputy Labour Minister Dimitris Stratoulis and speaker of parliament Zoe Constantopoulou."

I found the full list:

http://www.newsbomb.gr/politikh/voylh/story/607562/yperpsifistike-me-229-psifoys-to-nomosxedio-tis-symfonias-diaforopoiithikan-38-voyleytes-toy-syriza

Well, its all Greek to me... Wink
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« Reply #232 on: July 15, 2015, 11:25:29 PM »

Tsipras lost 38 MPs voting either no or present.

Where can one look up the results?

TOC has a few names:

http://www.thetoc.gr/eng/news/article/parliament-approves-bailout-prior-measures-by-229-votes

"38 SYRIZA lawmakers abstained or voted against the government,  including former Finance Minister Yanis Varoufakis, current Energy Minister Panagiotis Lafazanis, Deputy Labour Minister Dimitris Stratoulis and speaker of parliament Zoe Constantopoulou."

I found the full list:

http://www.newsbomb.gr/politikh/voylh/story/607562/yperpsifistike-me-229-psifoys-to-nomosxedio-tis-symfonias-diaforopoiithikan-38-voyleytes-toy-syriza

Well, its all Greek to me... Wink

If you run it through Google Translate, you'll at least get the names; even if it won't perfectly translate the entire article.
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« Reply #233 on: July 16, 2015, 07:20:43 AM »

Eurogroup has agreed on a bridge loan. Greek interior minister says a snap September or October election is likely.
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« Reply #234 on: July 16, 2015, 08:52:55 AM »

Google doc of Syriza dissenters in English (ministry and parliamentary sub-group listed as applicable)

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1EAZVy4bC0YDOceksy7BpdypRgMf-sPTu_M_OAMvxnoc/edit#gid=0

32 no votes, 6 abstentions, 1 conspicuous absence by a Left Platform MP
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« Reply #235 on: July 16, 2015, 11:43:31 AM »
« Edited: July 16, 2015, 11:55:37 AM by Hydera »

Eurogroup has agreed on a bridge loan. Greek interior minister says a snap September or October election is likely.

An snap election in under one year?

They really don't like this bailout program. So not only will the full 83 billion tranche is not going to be released. But most likely a grexit if a hypotectical Syriza-B splitting from the main party, made up of the rebels. comes to power that promises to leave the eurozone.  Or just Syriza itself if they decide to oust tsipras over the agreement and want a grexit.

Its not like Syriza has any other objectives at this point after failing to negotiate and trying to create a standoff. to force the EU to give them unlimited euros for a "stimulus programme" along with debt "forgiveness".
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« Reply #236 on: July 16, 2015, 01:32:46 PM »

A snap election in under one year?

They really don't like this bailout program. So not only will the full 83 billion tranche is not going to be released. But most likely a grexit if a hypotectical Syriza-B splitting from the main party, made up of the rebels. comes to power that promises to leave the eurozone.  Or just Syriza itself if they decide to oust tsipras over the agreement and want a grexit.

Its not like Syriza has any other objectives at this point after failing to negotiate and trying to create a standoff. to force the EU to give them unlimited euros for a "stimulus programme" along with debt "forgiveness".

Tsipras is viewed as the best option available.

"Political commentator Nikos Dimou said Tsipras was likely to emerge stronger from a fresh ballot.

"Most Greeks do not want to return to the drachma," he told AFP.

"SYRIZA would win again, and by an even wider margin than last time"

http://www.ekathimerini.com/199616/article/ekathimerini/news/early-greek-vote-inevitable-after-syriza-mutiny-analysts-say
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« Reply #237 on: July 16, 2015, 04:05:07 PM »

Eurogroup has agreed on a bridge loan. Greek interior minister says a snap September or October election is likely.

An snap election in under one year?

They really don't like this bailout program. So not only will the full 83 billion tranche is not going to be released. But most likely a grexit if a hypotectical Syriza-B splitting from the main party, made up of the rebels. comes to power that promises to leave the eurozone.  Or just Syriza itself if they decide to oust tsipras over the agreement and want a grexit.

Its not like Syriza has any other objectives at this point after failing to negotiate and trying to create a standoff. to force the EU to give them unlimited euros for a "stimulus programme" along with debt "forgiveness".

Well, I thought that was pretty much mandatory. EU wants things than needs constitutionnal amendments and such amendments must pass in two consecutive Parliaments.
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« Reply #238 on: July 16, 2015, 05:45:35 PM »

just a pure plug: the "coverage" and dialog on AAD yesterday far exceeded what you'll find here.
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« Reply #239 on: July 16, 2015, 08:12:24 PM »

What bad faith. Had you posted this here there would be no problem.
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« Reply #240 on: July 16, 2015, 09:04:56 PM »

What bad faith. Had you posted this here there would be no problem.

it wasn't worth my time.
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« Reply #241 on: July 16, 2015, 11:18:40 PM »

I am very proud of my contributions to that AAD thread
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« Reply #242 on: July 17, 2015, 03:08:58 AM »

This is awesome: http://www.random-austerity-measure-generator.com/
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« Reply #243 on: July 17, 2015, 03:23:03 AM »

Compared to the US Great Depression, the Greece situation started off very mild. But after the New Deal kicks in, the US starts making a good recovery while austerity keeps hurting Greece more and more.

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« Reply #244 on: July 17, 2015, 02:05:15 PM »


Any one of those would do a lot more good for Greece than actual activity of Mr. Varoufakis Smiley
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« Reply #245 on: July 17, 2015, 03:18:32 PM »

Reshuffle done. Spiegel says Tsipras may be PM for the long haul.
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« Reply #246 on: July 19, 2015, 05:12:20 AM »

With all the talk about a possible snap election polls start to get interesting again. Compared to the election Syriza has gained and Potami and Pasok are up as well. ANEL is back at the threshold and ND is has lost support.

Latest poll from Palmos Analysis from yesterday:

Syriza 42.5
ND 21.5
XA 6.5
Potami 8.0
KKE 5.5
ANEL 3.0
Pasok 6.0   
Others 7.0

(apparently the round it to the nearest half percentage point)
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« Reply #247 on: July 19, 2015, 05:27:57 AM »

Pasokmentum! Tongue
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« Reply #248 on: July 19, 2015, 05:51:24 AM »
« Edited: July 19, 2015, 05:56:15 AM by Zionist Scum »


Maybe Fofi Gennimata is a better communicator than Venizelos. At least she is a new generation and another gender. She is from a political family and her dad was a co-founder of Pasok, so hardly anti-establishment, but perhaps more appealing anyway.

Potamentum as well (and it sounds better..). There has been a shift to the left - likely some centrists that backed ND to avoid Syriza reconsidering - and Syriza actually seems to be rewarded for being "responsible". As Nikos Dimou said in the comment I quoted earlier in thread Greeks do not want to drop the Euro. Good to see the two sects (Golden Dawn and KKE) aren't gaining.

EDIT: Fofi G. is actually less than 8 years younger than Venizelos, so hardly another generation. She just looks younger.
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« Reply #249 on: July 19, 2015, 08:37:33 AM »

New Democracy - which was completely humiliated after the failure of the Nai campaign, which they threw a lot of their resources, infrastructure and general machinery at - may have a female leader of its own. Dora Bakoyanni, a member of the liberal wing (you might remember her leading one of the million tiny liberal parties that splintered off ND at the start of the crisis) apparently wants the job - she was the runner-up when Samaras (a more traditional rightist) was chosen.
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