SENATE BILL: Spurring Skilled Immigration Act of 2012 (On the President's Desk)
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« Reply #25 on: December 14, 2012, 03:13:53 PM »
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« Reply #26 on: December 16, 2012, 04:18:51 PM »
The amendment has passed.
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« Reply #27 on: December 17, 2012, 01:26:43 PM »
I could support this bill.
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« Reply #28 on: December 17, 2012, 03:33:14 PM »
Where are we on discussing how to implement number 7? Did we settle on an arrangement?
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« Reply #29 on: December 17, 2012, 03:56:02 PM »
Simfan made a suggestion, but I don't think it got much feedback:

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Number 7 is slightly problematic as we have no control over what is appropriate for a "doctoral-level" degree. That could become a rather large loophole if we leave it that way.

I had had similar thoughts about this, and I do think the term a "locally accredited, non-profit degree-granting academic institution" might cover the issue well.

Sounds okay to me, but I don't really know what the other options are. Is there some sort of international accreditation process that would be a better fit? The UN's International Association of Universities falls incredibly short.
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« Reply #30 on: December 17, 2012, 04:01:43 PM »
Of course it falls short. They probably got diploma mills in Tashkent listed as being accredited Universities.
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« Reply #31 on: December 17, 2012, 04:03:13 PM »
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Simfan made a suggestion, but I don't think it got much feedback:

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Quote from: Senator Franzl on December 10, 2012, 11:25:01 AM
Number 7 is slightly problematic as we have no control over what is appropriate for a "doctoral-level" degree. That could become a rather large loophole if we leave it that way.

I had had similar thoughts about this, and I do think the term a "locally accredited, non-profit degree-granting academic institution" might cover the issue well.

Sounds okay to me, but I don't really know what the other options are. Is there some sort of international accreditation process that would be a better fit? The UN's International Association of Universities falls incredibly short.

Which is why I asked if anything was agreed to, meaning behind the scenes (naively optomistic wish of course), sicne nothing has transpired here as of last record.
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« Reply #32 on: December 17, 2012, 05:51:50 PM »
I think we should perhaps list countries from which we recognize PhDs.

Or we just scratch number 7 entirely.
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« Reply #33 on: December 18, 2012, 05:18:06 PM »
Quote from: Senator Franzl on December 17, 2012, 05:51:50 PM
I think we should perhaps list countries from which we recognize PhDs.

Or we just scratch number 7 entirely.
You mean in a fashion similar to what I was saying about having the SoIA and SoEA compile a list together, or some other organization.

No, we need the PhDs, badly.

I am concerned about the cap being removed entirely in clause 4 though. Perhaps put a floating cap that the SoIA can set based on the field and the labor required. That way in certain circumstances we can limit it or raise it based on what the data and the situation calls for.
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« Reply #34 on: December 19, 2012, 04:10:15 AM »
« Edited: December 19, 2012, 11:26:35 AM by Senator Franzl »
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« Reply #35 on: December 19, 2012, 11:23:21 AM »
Friendly. Could we not have 500,000 H1-Bs though?
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« Reply #36 on: December 19, 2012, 11:26:53 AM »
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Friendly. Could we not have 500,000 H1-Bs though?

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« Reply #37 on: December 19, 2012, 05:37:49 PM »
Friendly!

An amendment: name is changed to Spurring Skilled Immigration Act of 2012
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« Reply #38 on: December 19, 2012, 07:19:35 PM »
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« Reply #39 on: December 20, 2012, 06:06:43 PM »
Damn it, I won't be on by 7:19.
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« Reply #40 on: December 20, 2012, 07:30:27 PM »
Seeing no objection, amendment 52:30 has passed.

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« Reply #41 on: December 22, 2012, 08:18:30 PM »
Seeing no objections the amendment has been adopted. Lack of further considering on the merits of the bill will lead to actions commencing to lay the matter to rest.
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« Reply #42 on: December 23, 2012, 12:22:23 PM »
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« Reply #43 on: December 24, 2012, 08:44:25 PM »
Senators, this bill is now at final vote, please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.
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« Reply #44 on: December 24, 2012, 11:57:21 PM »
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« Reply #45 on: December 25, 2012, 12:00:14 AM »
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« Reply #46 on: December 25, 2012, 01:26:28 AM »
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« Reply #47 on: December 25, 2012, 03:18:23 AM »
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« Reply #48 on: December 25, 2012, 10:33:36 AM »
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« Reply #49 on: December 26, 2012, 09:44:36 AM »
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