Let the Eagle Soar from Sea to Sea

[Archangel_Mikey]

1796



Thomas Jefferson (Rep.): 71 EV, 51.4% EV
Vice-president John Adams (Fed.): 68 EV, 48.3% EV

President George Washington did not stand for reelection, setting a precedent that many U.S. presidents have followed.  The newly founded parties, the Federalists and Republicans, each had to select presidential and vice-presidential candidates.  The Federalists nominated Washington’s Vice-president John Adams and Thomas Pinckney for vice-president.  The Republicans nominated former Secretary of States Thomas Jefferson and Aaron Burr.

This election showed many of the flaws in the electoral system of that era.  Republican Thomas Jefferson was elected president, while Federalist Vice-president John Adams was reelected to the vice-presidency.  By the time he retired in 1801, he had served three terms as Vice-president of the United States.

[King]

Where exactly are you taking this?

[Archangel_Mikey]

Where exactly are you taking this?

What are you talking about?

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

King doesn't want to enjoy the journey, he wants to skip ahead to the destination.

[Archangel_Mikey]

1800



Alexander Hamilton (Fed.): 75 EV, 54.9% EV
President Thomas Jefferson (Rep.- incumbent): 63 EV, 45.1% EV

The four years since Jefferson was elected, the U.S. had gone to war against Tripoli with its brand new U.S. Navy, the XYZ Affair with France, the Quasi War with France, and Napoleon seizing power in France.  Republican President Jefferson wasn’t filling up the boots of the late George Washington, and many considered him and inadequate choice.

The Federalists nominated former Secretary of the Treasury Alexander Hamilton of New York to be president and John Marshall to be vice-president.  Marshall and Jefferson both campaigned well.  Marshall was extremely vocal in his support of a strong U.S. Navy to protect the young republic’s interests on the high seas and a strong federal government and bank, something Jefferson was opposed to.

The Electoral College was messed up.  In 1800, Both Alexander Hamilton and John Marshall received 77 electoral votes, and electoral tie.  The vote was thrown into the House of Representatives.  After thirty six ballots, the House finally elected Hamilton president and John Marshall vice-president.

This election caused people to take a good hard look at the Electoral College.  After Hamilton was inaugurated, Congress ratified an amendment that forces each party to nominated one candidate for president and one for vice-president, and the Electoral College electors would only have one vote to vote for which every ticket they were elected/appointed to elect.

[skybridge]

1800



Alexander Hamilton (Fed.): 75 EV, 54.9% EV
President Thomas Jefferson (Rep.- incumbent): 63 EV, 45.1% EV

The four years since Jefferson was elected, the U.S. had gone to war against Tripoli with its brand new U.S. Navy, the XYZ Affair with France, the Quasi War with France, and Napoleon seizing power in France.  Republican President Jefferson wasn’t filling up the boots of the late George Washington, and many considered him and inadequate choice.

The Federalists nominated former Secretary of the Treasury Alexander Hamilton of New York to be president and John Marshall to be vice-president.  Marshall and Jefferson both campaigned well.  Marshall was extremely vocal in his support of a strong U.S. Navy to protect the young republic’s interests on the high seas and a strong federal government and bank, something Jefferson was opposed to.

The Electoral College was messed up.  In 1800, Both Alexander Hamilton and John Marshall received 77 electoral votes, and electoral tie.  The vote was thrown into the House of Representatives.  After thirty six ballots, the House finally elected Hamilton president and John Marshall vice-president.

This election caused people to take a good hard look at the Electoral College.  After Hamilton was inaugurated, Congress ratified an amendment that forces each party to nominated one candidate for president and one for vice-president, and the Electoral College electors would only have one vote to vote for which every ticket they were elected/appointed to elect.

Was the Constitution first amended to allow non-natural born citizens to run for president?

[M]

Skybridge beat me to it. If Hamilton's president now, I expect to see Shwarzenegger president by '92, even if we havn't annexed Austria by then.

Additionally, the seond-runner-up, Jefferson, should be vice-president. So that's two major amendments you haveb't told us about. Or is th POD the Constitutional Convention?

[skybridge]

Skybridge beat me to it. If Hamilton's president now, I expect to see Shwarzenegger president by '92, even if we havn't annexed Austria by then.

Additionally, the seond-runner-up, Jefferson, should be vice-president. So that's two major amendments you haveb't told us about. Or is th POD the Constitutional Convention?

That little cornerstone prevented Hamilton from running in reality, though he probably would have given the opportunity.

[Archangel_Mikey]

Skybridge beat me to it. If Hamilton's president now, I expect to see Shwarzenegger president by '92, even if we havn't annexed Austria by then.

Additionally, the seond-runner-up, Jefferson, should be vice-president. So that's two major amendments you haveb't told us about. Or is th POD the Constitutional Convention?

For your first question.  Article Two of the Constitution states that no one but a natural born citizen or citizen at the time of the adoption of the U.S. Constitution can be presdient, which make's Hamilton's presidency entirley constitutional.

Why?  Jefferson and Burr both received the same amount of electoral votes in 1800, and Burr become vice-president, did he not?  The same thing happens here, except with the Federalists.  Why is this entirley different?

[Archangel_Mikey]

1804



President Alexander Hamilton/Vice-president John Marshall (Fed.-incumbent): 126 EV, 73.4% EV
James Madison/George Clinton (Rep.): 50 EV, 22.6% EV

In 1803, President Hamilton had bought Louisiana from Spain for a very cheap price.  Hamilton then sent out Company A, Corps of Discovery under Captain Zebulon Pike to explore this new purchase.  The U.S. War Academy at West Point had been opened by the War Department to train officers, and Ohio (free) was admitted to the Union in 1803.

In 1804, President Hamilton’s popularity was soaring.  He again decided to stay with Vice-president John Marshall as his running mate.  The Republicans nominated Senator James Madison of Virginia for President and George Clinton for vice-president.  Madison was facing off against a very popular president who had enlarged both the U.S. Navy and Army and supported the British.  Hamilton had also created a national bank.

In the end, Hamilton’s popularity won out with the people.  He won in a landslide, defeating James Madison.  Many historians consider Hamilton one of the best president’s of the U.S. for many reasons, most notably for fulfilling all his promises while in office.  Hamilton’s reelection split the Federalist Party between pro-Hamilton supporters (High Federalists or Hamiltonians) and anti-Hamilton supporters (Low Federalists).  Many historians have aloes accused the usage of Alien Act of 1802 and the Sedition Act of 1802 to deport and imprison many of his opponents.

[M]

Skybridge beat me to it. If Hamilton's president now, I expect to see Shwarzenegger president by '92, even if we havn't annexed Austria by then.

Additionally, the seond-runner-up, Jefferson, should be vice-president. So that's two major amendments you haveb't told us about. Or is th POD the Constitutional Convention?

For your first question.  Article Two of the Constitution states that no one but a natural born citizen or citizen at the time of the adoption of the U.S. Constitution can be presdient, which make's Hamilton's presidency entirley constitutional.

Why?  Jefferson and Burr both received the same amount of electoral votes in 1800, and Burr become vice-president, did he not?  The same thing happens here, except with the Federalists.  Why is this entirley different?

You are thinking of this line: "Clause 5: No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President;". However, at the time United States would be interpreted by everyone- as it was intended- to mean a born citizen of Massachusates, New York, Virginia, etc. Hamilton was born in the Caribbean, not in one of the states at the time.

As for the second question, it is not different except in your version. The Federalists would not nominate Hamilton and Marshall- just Hamilton. And if Jefferson placed second, he would be VP. Marshall would only be VP if in a three way race he placed second, edging out Jefferson completely.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

1800



Alexander Hamilton (Fed.): 75 EV, 54.9% EV
President Thomas Jefferson (Rep.- incumbent): 63 EV, 45.1% EV

The four years since Jefferson was elected, the U.S. had gone to war against Tripoli with its brand new U.S. Navy, the XYZ Affair with France, the Quasi War with France, and Napoleon seizing power in France.  Republican President Jefferson wasn’t filling up the boots of the late George Washington, and many considered him and inadequate choice.

The Federalists nominated former Secretary of the Treasury Alexander Hamilton of New York to be president and John Marshall to be vice-president.  Marshall and Jefferson both campaigned well.  Marshall was extremely vocal in his support of a strong U.S. Navy to protect the young republic’s interests on the high seas and a strong federal government and bank, something Jefferson was opposed to.

The Electoral College was messed up.  In 1800, Both Alexander Hamilton and John Marshall received 77 electoral votes, and electoral tie.  The vote was thrown into the House of Representatives.  After thirty six ballots, the House finally elected Hamilton president and John Marshall vice-president.

This election caused people to take a good hard look at the Electoral College.  After Hamilton was inaugurated, Congress ratified an amendment that forces each party to nominated one candidate for president and one for vice-president, and the Electoral College electors would only have one vote to vote for which every ticket they were elected/appointed to elect.

What brand new Navy?  In our time line, Jefferson starved the Navy of funds as an unneeded expense.
What XYZ affair?  Jefferson's ministers would  probably have paid the bribe demanded by X, Y, and Z.
What Quasi-War?  Between having no navy and the fact that Jefferson would be far freindlier to teh French than Adams was, there would be no Quasi-War under a 1796 Jeffersom administration.

[Archangel_Mikey]

1800



Alexander Hamilton (Fed.): 75 EV, 54.9% EV
President Thomas Jefferson (Rep.- incumbent): 63 EV, 45.1% EV

The four years since Jefferson was elected, the U.S. had gone to war against Tripoli with its brand new U.S. Navy, the XYZ Affair with France, the Quasi War with France, and Napoleon seizing power in France.  Republican President Jefferson wasn’t filling up the boots of the late George Washington, and many considered him and inadequate choice.

The Federalists nominated former Secretary of the Treasury Alexander Hamilton of New York to be president and John Marshall to be vice-president.  Marshall and Jefferson both campaigned well.  Marshall was extremely vocal in his support of a strong U.S. Navy to protect the young republic’s interests on the high seas and a strong federal government and bank, something Jefferson was opposed to.

The Electoral College was messed up.  In 1800, Both Alexander Hamilton and John Marshall received 77 electoral votes, and electoral tie.  The vote was thrown into the House of Representatives.  After thirty six ballots, the House finally elected Hamilton president and John Marshall vice-president.

This election caused people to take a good hard look at the Electoral College.  After Hamilton was inaugurated, Congress ratified an amendment that forces each party to nominated one candidate for president and one for vice-president, and the Electoral College electors would only have one vote to vote for which every ticket they were elected/appointed to elect.

What brand new Navy?  In our time line, Jefferson starved the Navy of funds as an unneeded expense.
What XYZ affair?  Jefferson's ministers would  probably have paid the bribe demanded by X, Y, and Z.
What Quasi-War?  Between having no navy and the fact that Jefferson would be far freindlier to teh French than Adams was, there would be no Quasi-War under a 1796 Jeffersom administration.

The Navy was already under construction by 1797 when Jefferson became president.
Why would Americans pay a bribe to three French agents?  Even if they did, this would eventually become public and the Federalists would become enraged.
When Jefferson became president, the French had seized nearly 300 ships bound for British ports.  They were angered by Jay's Treaty, and they feared an Anglo-Ameriacn alliance.  And a Federalist controlled Congress would want to declare war.

[Archangel_Mikey]

1808



Elbridge Gerry/DeWitt Clinton (Rep.): 79 EV, 44.9% EV
Vice-president John Marshall/Rufus King (Fed.-incumbent): 74 EV, 42% EV
John Adams/Charles C. Pinckney (Ind. Fed.): 23 EV, 13.1% EV

During President Hamilton’s final term, the Federalist Party was split between the High Federalists or Hamiltonians and the Low Federalists.  In 1806, the division gave Congress to the Republicans, and many of Hamilton’s proposed bills never made it.  The Corps of Discovery’s both companies returned safely, and the Napoleonic Wars in Europe were escalating.  Robert Fulton sailed the country’s first steam craft on the Hudson River, and the slave trade was banned.

President Hamilton followed in the footsteps of the famous General Washington and did not seek a third term.   Vice-president Marshall was nominated by the High Federalists, and Rufus King of New York was nominated as vice-president.  The Republicans nominated Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts and DeWitt Clinton of New York.  The Low Federalists nominated a reluctant John Adams for the presidency and Charles C. Pinckney for vice-president.

The election’s main issue was the war in Europe.  The Federalists wanted the U.S. to jump in on the side of Britain while the Republicans wanted to invade Canada and join the French.  Of course, neither side said when they wanted to enter into the war.  Elbridge Gerry supported a strong militia system while Marshall wanted a powerful standing Army.

Due to Adams’s role in the election, none of the three candidates got an electoral majority.  The vote was thrown into the Republican-controlled Congress.  Elbridge Gerry was elected as the fourth president of the United States with DeWitt Clinton as his vice-president.

[Gabu]

Given the second half of the title, I'm guessing that the US succeeds in invading and annexing Canada.

[Archangel_Mikey]

1812



Pres. Elbridge Gerry/VP DeWitt Clinton (Rep.-incumbent): 128 EV, 58.7% EV
Rufus King/Jared Ingersoll (Fed.): 56 EV, 25.7% EV
Timothy Pickering/John Quincy Adams (Whig): 34 EV, 15.6% EV

In the early years of Elbridge Gerry’s first term, the wars in Europe became even bloodier.  The Republicans in Congress wanted America to join the war.  American inventor Robert Fulton had laid down the first ironclad warship in 1810.  The U.S. Supreme Court ruled that the U.S. had more power than any individual state, and several ports were established along the Pacific Northwest by the Pacific Fur Company, and South America became independent.

The Federalist split of 1808 was now permanent.  The conservative Federalists (or High Federalists) kept the name Federalists, while the opposition Low Federalists (or Independent Federalists in the last election) had adopted the name of the British opposition group, the Whigs.  The Federalists nominated former vice-presidential candidate for president and Jared Ingersoll for vice-president.  The Whigs nominated former Secretary of State Timothy Pickering for president and John Quincy Adams for vice-president.  The Republicans stayed with President Gerry and Vice-president Clinton.

The primary issues of the presidential election 1812 were war and commerce.  For years, the British had captured American vessels and impressed their crews.  This forced Presidents Hamilton and Gerry to increase the size of the U.S. Navy, the former happily and the latter reluctantly.  Many Republicans wanted war.  The Federalists favored commerce, and the Embargo Act of 1811 was hurting the American trade.  The Embargo Act was lifted months later, but many in New England still resented it.

Elbridge Gerry carried most of the southern states and King and Pickering split the northern states.  Gerry was reelected for a second term.  The state of Orleans was admitted on June 6th.

[Jake]

I like it

[Archangel_Mikey]

1816



Pres. DeWitt Clinton/Daniel D. Tompkins (Rep.-incumbent): 183 EV, 84.3% EV
John E. Howard/James Ross (Fed.): 34 EV, 15.7% EV

The Whigs did not nominate a presidential candidate, and instead endorsed President DeWitt Clinton.  In 1814, the British had been capturing American vessels and impressing their crews in the Royal Navy.  It was said it was the stress of being President gave President Gerry his stroke that killed him on November 23rd, 1814.  VP Clinton was immediately inaugurated, and blamed his predecessor’s death on the British.

On January 9th, 1815, a special session of Congress declared war on Great Britain, starting the War of 1815.  President Clinton called on the militias to invade Canada.  The invasion was preceded by a Québécois rebellion in La ville de Québec allowing the Americans to advance quickly, taking Québec Ville by mid-March.  In Upper Canada, the resistance was tougher, and the Americans suffered several defeats, and the British had been handed a devastating defeat at the Battles of Lake Erie and York.

The British landed forces along the Chesapeake, and they proceeded to burn Washington, D.C.  Americans then retaliated by landing and burning Halifax, Nova Scotia.  The British landed forces at New Orleans on April 5th, 1816, which was defended by Majors James Gadsden and William Clark.  Meanwhile, the British were still winning at sea and refused to bug in New Brunswick.

The Federalists had little chance of winning this election.  They nominated black horses John E. Howard and James Ross for president and vice-president, while Jared Ingersoll began to plan for 1820.

[Archangel_Mikey]

1820



John Quincy Adams/Henry Clay (Fed. Whig): 193 EV, 82.8% EV
William H. Crawford/James Monroe (Rep.-incumbent): 40 EV, 17.2% EV

The War of 1815 came to a close in mid-1817 with the Treaty of Ghent.  The Treaty of Ghent ceded Upper and Lower Canada, Nova Scotia, and New Brunswick to the U.S.  The U.S. had given Britain a devastating blow.  The Napoleonic Wars had ended in 1816 with Napoleon pulling a victory out a defeat in Germany.  Napoleon made a lasting peace with the other European countries.

Federalist leader Jared Ingersoll had devised a strategy to get him elected president of the United States.  His plans were detailed, but his sudden and unexpected death sent the Federalists reeling.  He had united the Whigs and Federalists for 1818 as the Federal Whig Party.  Many thought that the fusion ticket would crumple, but John Quincy Adams, the son of former Vice-president Adams, wouldn’t have it.  Adams was nominated for the presidency with Henry Clay as his vice-president.  The Republicans nominated the Secretary of State William H. Crawford for president and Senator James Monroe for vice-president.

The race was tight and close from the begging.  The people were tired of Republican rule, and wanted change.  But the Republicans had boasted that they had expanded the U.S. and brought victory to the ailing nation.  But the people wanted change.  The close election turned out to be a landslide, with the fusion Federal Whig Party gaining the presidency and the Congress.

Washington (Mississippi), Alabama, Missouri, Illinois, and Tippecanoe (Indiana) are all admitted to the Union between 1816 and 1820.

[Archangel_Mikey]

1824



Nathaniel Macon/John C. Calhoun (Rep.): 142 EV, 54.2% EV
Pres. John Quincy Adams/VP Henry Clay (Fed.-incumbent): 66 EV, 25.2% EV
Daniel Webster/VP Henry Clay (Ind. Fed.): 54 EV, 20.6% EV

President John Quincy Adams was very popular with the masses.  Unlike previous Federalists (Adams dropped the world “Whig” from the party’s name in the 1822 midterms), Adams supported agriculture more than commerce, but he knew that commerce was needed.  He expanded the U.S. Navy, and the U.S. Army adopted the percussion cap rifle in 1822.  Ironclads were commissioned in the U.S. Navy during Adams’s term.

The Republicans knew that Adams’s popularity would win him the election.  They decided to put up sacrificial lamb to be slaughtered by the Federalists.  They nominated Nathaniel Macon of North Carolina.  However, there were divisions in the Federalist Party again.  They favored many of the things that Adams didn’t, and they decided to nominate their own candidate.  They nominated Representative Daniel Webster of Massachusetts for president, but kept Henry Clay as their vice-presidential candidate.

Macon, however, would not go down like the sacrifice he was intended to be.  Macon wanted tax cuts for the lower class and tax hikes for the richer people, and is considered one of the first American Socialists.  Macon wanted to expand agriculture, and many of his campaign signs had allegorical pictures of agriculture and industry together.  Macon supported the American system as propose by Alexander Hamilton.  The price of corn and other crops were slipping because of foreign commerce, and Adams lost his support with the farmers.  And because of Daniel Webster, Macon won a slim majority and was elected president of the United States.

The state of Maine was admitted to the Union.

[Archangel_Mikey]

1828



William Clark/VP John C. Calhoun (Dem.-incumbent): 170 EV, 54.23% PV
Edward Livingston/Richard Rush (Fed.): 76 EV, 43.21% EV
Pres. Nathaniel Macon/VP John C. Calhoun (Dem.): 15 EV, 2.56% PV

War hero William Clark challenged President Nathaniel Macon for the Republican nomination early on.  Macon had suffered a heart attack in early 1828, and many high level Republicans felt that Macon’s health could be a problem in a second term.  At the Republican National Convention at New York City, it took seven ballots to decide who would be there nominee.  Clark promised Macon a high-level government position.  Macon hesitantly agreed, and Clark was nominated.  However, the 15 electors of North Carolina cast their vote for Nathaniel Macon, and he garnered two percent of the vote as a write in.

The Federalists where effectively taken over by the Daniel Webster wing of the party.  They nominated Edward Livingston of New York for president and Richard Rush of Pennsylvania for vice-president.  The election, however, was a close one.  Macon’s popularity worked for Clark.

Clark promised most of the things that Macon had, and Clark was an expansionist and he wanted compromise.  Rush wanted to take away the American System and make commerce America’s main source of income.  In the end, the American System won the election for Clark.  Clark renamed the Republican Party the Democratic Party, and he officially called the Party that existed from 1796 to 1828 was the Democrat-Republican Party.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

The Navy was already under construction by 1797 when Jefferson became president. 
Why would Americans pay a bribe to three French agents?  Even if they did, this would eventually become public and the Federalists would become enraged.
When Jefferson became president, the French had seized nearly 300 ships bound for British ports.  They were angered by Jay's Treaty, and they feared an Anglo-Ameriacn alliance.  And a Federalist controlled Congress would want to declare war.

It would not have been at all difficult or unusual for Jefferson to have ship construction halted in 1797 as an economy measure.  Jefferson started out by taking ships out of commission, only to put them back to sea when the Barbary pirates came to bother him.  He also cancelled in real life the six unbuilt men-of war that had been authorized by the 1794 Navy Act that had been intended as follow ons after the frigates were built.

Why would the French worry about a US led by Jefferson.  He was widely viewed as pro-French, and his behaviour during the real life Embargo shows that he clearly retained those sympathies later in his career.

If you are going to so closely parallel real history you really ought to include a Sedition Act.  The real life Jefferson made use of State sedition and libel  laws to antagonizehis political enemies.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

The War of 1815 came to a close in mid-1817 with the Treaty of Ghent.  The Treaty of Ghent ceded Upper and Lower Canada, Nova Scotia, and New Brunswick to the U.S.  The U.S. had given Britain a devastating blow.  The Napoleonic Wars had ended in 1816 with Napoleon pulling a victory out a defeat in Germany.  Napoleon made a lasting peace with the other European countries.

OK, you've totally failed to explain why the Napoleonic Wars had a different outcome.  Nothing that has happened in the New World in your time line should have had such an effect.  No amount of butterflies  could have the Napoleonic Wars end with a Napolean victory.  Given the nature of the man, they would continue off and on until he either lost or died.

Also, I see no chance that Canada would be secured by the US as a result of a War of 1815, even with a better prepared US military.  Keep in mind that by and large the people there did now want to be part of the US.  As a descendant of Revolutionary War Tories who had to flee to Canada to escape Patriot persecution, the only warm welcome US troops would receive would be hot lead from Canadian guerrillas.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Ironclads were commissioned in the U.S. Navy during Adams’s term.

1822 ironclads!!!!

OK, this has turned into fantasy.   Practical iron-clads require screw propellers and those weren't developed until 1838.  If the incident aboard the USS Princeton in 1843 is butterflied away, I could see an experimental ironclad maybe by 1850.  Several more butterflies might bring an ironclad into being by 1840, but not in 1822.

[Archangel_Mikey]

Ironclads were commissioned in the U.S. Navy during Adams’s term.

1822 ironclads!!!!

OK, this has turned into fantasy.   Practical iron-clads require screw propellers and those weren't developed until 1838.  If the incident aboard the USS Princeton in 1843 is butterflied away, I could see an experimental ironclad maybe by 1850.  Several more butterflies might bring an ironclad into being by 1840, but not in 1822.

Robert Fullton had laid down his own ironclad warship in 1809.  It was never completed.  And why would an ironclad warship need a propeller.  A paddlewheel would work just as good.