Could a Hispanic version of Bloc Québécois develop?
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« on: December 16, 2012, 03:10:11 PM »

A sort of nationalist, Hispanic American sovereign party? I personally don't think that it will, but what do you think?

Is this possible:

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« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2012, 03:25:12 PM »

Not really, since Mexicans are different from Cubans who are different from Puerto Ricans who are different from Guatemalans, etc.
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« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2012, 08:00:36 PM »

I don't think there's anyone who supports that idea. 

Also, Quebec is heavily French speaking, like 80%.  There's no US state that has anything approaching 80% Spanish speaking population.
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« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2012, 09:48:07 PM »

Not really, since Mexicans are different from Cubans who are different from Puerto Ricans who are different from Guatemalans, etc.

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« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2012, 10:22:37 PM »

Nope.  The closest thing that could realistically happen is a (serious) Alaskan or Hawaiian Independence Party that sends people to congress and tries to do the whole unpledged electors thing.
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« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2012, 05:12:57 AM »

Not in the US.

There are dozens of demographic/geographic groups which, throughout US history, could have given rise to a bloc-like party if it were possible. But that's not how US party politics work. Parties have always been unlikely coalitions of a myriad groups with little in common, and Hispanics won't change this.
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« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2012, 09:44:34 AM »

No. Really No. Except perhaps on a local level in New Mexico.
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« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2012, 12:52:37 PM »

I'm not sure if you entirely understood why the BQ happened. In any case, it's harder to operate outside one (or both) of the Institutional Parties in America than it is outside any existing party political frameworks in normal countries.
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« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2012, 04:17:49 PM »

All of the answers posted here are correct.

a) Hispanics are too diverse to form a single party.  There are many different nationalities with some of whom have differing political views (most notably Cubans), not to mention some hispanics have lived in the U.S for generations.

b) The U.S political system is very unfriendly to third parties partly because of winner take all rules and the electoral.  In addition, the two major parties are very established and very good at co-opting planks of sucessfull third parties. 

The Democrats really have already spent a lot of effort appealing to hispanics and I expect the Republicans will too in the future. I think its very unlikely that what will likely be the future's most sought after swing demographic will feel isolated from the system enough to have a significant third party.

c) The U.S. is very good at absorbing immigrants.  Unlike European countries, the U.S. is not a nation in the cultural sense like Poland, Germany, France etc.  The people of those European countries have a shared cultural history streching back centuries, its often hard for 'outsiders' to fit into these cultures. 

The U.S, on the other hand, is a mix of people of many different nationalities that have blended together only recently in a historical sense.  This country has assimilated many waves of immigration before and this one won't be the last.
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« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2012, 05:23:03 PM »

Yeah, no. Lumping all Hispanics together is like lumping all Eastern European ethnicities together.
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« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2012, 08:06:49 PM »

Yeah, no. Lumping all Hispanics together is like lumping all Eastern European ethnicities together.

Well, they did try Yugoslavia.
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« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2012, 08:37:36 PM »

Perhaps the PIP will become relevant once Puerto Rico becomes a State, but otherwise, no. 
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« Reply #12 on: December 17, 2012, 10:22:04 PM »

Yeah, no. Lumping all Hispanics together is like lumping all Eastern European ethnicities together.

Well, they did try Yugoslavia.

Emphasis on try.
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« Reply #13 on: December 18, 2012, 01:57:03 PM »

1. Spanish speakers are not as concentrated in America in one large state as are French speakers in Canada.

2. Hispanic pols have no difficulty winning crossover votes. If one is really good in America (except perhaps the Deep South), ethnicity matters little.

3. Hispanics have no desire to enforce any Hispanic culture as the dominant culture in any State. Could you imagine a Hispanic majority (if one existed) in California trying to make Spanish the official language of instruction at the University of California at Berkeley?  

(This is very different from the idea that children in public schools should learn Spanish -- which would be a very good idea in Texas. Any learning of a foreign language short of replacement strengthens one's skills in one's native tongue. I'd push French for the same reason in Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, and Louisiana, and New York State north of the I-90 corridor).

  



 
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« Reply #14 on: December 19, 2012, 06:36:44 AM »

A sort of nationalist, Hispanic American sovereign party? I personally don't think that it will, but what do you think?

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You should shade IL to a swing state if Latinos voted as a bloc for a third party.
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« Reply #15 on: December 19, 2012, 01:56:44 PM »

No. Really No. Except perhaps on a local level in New Mexico.

That sort of thing is taken care of within the Democratic Primaries here. Spanish Hispanics vs Mexican Hispanics vs Natives (in some places) vs White Liberals, varying by location and sometimes ideology (there are Liberal and Moderate versions of both Hispanic groups) of course. Republicans are mostly Whites, with some Hispanics (as our current Governor indicates).

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We even have a Republican Navajo State Senator! She'll fit right in with our Republican Black State Representative! Cheesy
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« Reply #16 on: December 19, 2012, 07:06:34 PM »

A sort of nationalist, Hispanic American sovereign party? I personally don't think that it will, but what do you think?

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One thing I've realized on this map is Utah isn't part of the "Hispanic Party". Why is that?
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« Reply #17 on: December 20, 2012, 02:06:14 AM »

Utah doesn't have a large Hispanic population.
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« Reply #18 on: December 20, 2012, 11:42:57 AM »

Why would Hispanics want their states to secede?
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« Reply #19 on: December 20, 2012, 06:45:44 PM »


It's part of a sinister plot by Mexico...
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« Reply #20 on: December 20, 2012, 08:47:00 PM »

Also, if hispanics wanted to be a part of Mexico, why did they move to the US?
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« Reply #21 on: December 20, 2012, 09:01:30 PM »


You're forgetting Florida here.
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« Reply #22 on: December 21, 2012, 01:21:51 AM »


I doubt very much whether the current government of Cuba wants to annex Little Havana.
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« Reply #23 on: December 21, 2012, 01:43:14 AM »

I don't think there's anyone who supports that idea. 

Also, Quebec is heavily French speaking, like 80%.  There's no US state that has anything approaching 80% Spanish speaking population.

In last Census, 94% of the Québec population is able to talk French,  80% as a mother tongue.
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« Reply #24 on: December 22, 2012, 12:06:55 AM »

That was the goal of La Raza Unida when it started in Texas and California in the '70s. I don't know how it did in California but in Texas their statewide candidates usually got around 5% of the vote.

Part of the problem was that they targeted mostly rural, poor Hispanics who really just wanted people who could get them basic infrastructure and economic development programs and literally couldn't afford to waste political capital on racist nationalism.
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