Why is TANF so controversial while the Child Tax Credit is not?
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memphis
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« on: December 31, 2012, 03:05:24 PM »
They are the exact same thing. Discuss.
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« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2012, 05:56:02 PM »
The middle class gets the CTC while the poor gets TANF.  What is so hard to understand about why TANF is controversial?  After all when it comes to government spending, the word wasteful means, "I don't get any of it myself."
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« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2012, 06:04:06 PM »
What Ernest said. Americans love social spending that benefits themselves, but many can't stand the thought of poor people (especially poor blacks and poor women) receiving government assistance of any kind.
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« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2012, 06:41:55 PM »
But nobody believes the CTC is gov't spending. It's not just about this example. Social security. Medicare. Public schools. People are 100% convinced these are not "welfare." And nobody has a problem with poors or black getting them. Wtf?
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« Reply #4 on: December 31, 2012, 08:03:45 PM »
Because the government giving you money in a tax refund check is perceived totally differently than the government giving you money in a TANF check, and it would even if the qualifications for the two programs were identical.

People pay into social security and Medicare, so most don't realize that they actually get more than they ever payed in and instead just look at it like a private retirement plan sponsored by the government. As for schooling, everyone pays the property tax either directly or embedded in rent, and most don't realize some overpay while others underpay, or that schools also get money from general tax revenues.
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« Reply #5 on: December 31, 2012, 08:15:54 PM »
« Edited: December 31, 2012, 08:17:33 PM by Benj »
Quote from: True Federalist on December 31, 2012, 05:56:02 PM
The middle class gets the CTC while the poor gets TANF.  What is so hard to understand about why TANF is controversial?  After all when it comes to government spending, the word wasteful means, "I don't get any of it myself."

This. If it goes to other people, it's wasteful. That plus the fetishization of the middle class in American politics means that middle class handouts (including Social Security, which hardly does anything for the poor at all) are wildly popular but other programs are not.
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« Reply #6 on: December 31, 2012, 08:55:50 PM »
A 2 child household gets $2k annually from the CTC.

A TANF 2 child household, at least according to liberals, gets $429 monthly. In, say, California, you get $694!

The math is obvious.
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« Reply #7 on: January 01, 2013, 02:46:49 AM »
« Edited: January 01, 2013, 02:59:14 AM by memphis »
Quote from: krazen1211 on December 31, 2012, 08:55:50 PM
A 2 child household gets $2k annually from the CTC.

A TANF 2 child household, at least according to liberals, gets $429 monthly. In, say, California, you get $694!

The math is obvious.
You also get to claim an additional dependent. TANF is also limited to 5 years for the adult while the CTC goes on forever as long as you have a child under 17. The math is not obvious. Not that it's about math anyway.
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« Reply #8 on: January 01, 2013, 02:52:55 AM »
Needy. The demonised "other".
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« Reply #9 on: January 01, 2013, 08:11:50 AM »
Quote from: memphis on January 01, 2013, 02:46:49 AM
Quote from: krazen1211 on December 31, 2012, 08:55:50 PM
A 2 child household gets $2k annually from the CTC.

A TANF 2 child household, at least according to liberals, gets $429 monthly. In, say, California, you get $694!

The math is obvious.
You also get to claim an additional dependent. TANF is also limited to 5 years for the adult while the CTC goes on forever as long as you have a child under 17. The math is not obvious. Not that it's about math anyway.

But the TANF person gets the dependent as well.
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« Reply #10 on: January 01, 2013, 10:46:10 AM »
TANF is used by black people.
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« Reply #11 on: January 01, 2013, 11:48:41 AM »
Quote from: krazen1211 on December 31, 2012, 08:55:50 PM
A TANF 2 child household, at least according to liberals, gets $429 monthly. In, say, California, you get $694!

The math is obvious.

What math?  You mean that they'll die off on such a low amount?
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« Reply #12 on: January 01, 2013, 11:51:00 AM »
I mean seriously? 400-700 dollars?  That makes me feel physically ill.  It should be tripled and made available to individual poors.
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« Reply #13 on: January 01, 2013, 07:18:42 PM »
Quote from: krazen1211 on January 01, 2013, 08:11:50 AM
Quote from: memphis on January 01, 2013, 02:46:49 AM
Quote from: krazen1211 on December 31, 2012, 08:55:50 PM
A 2 child household gets $2k annually from the CTC.

A TANF 2 child household, at least according to liberals, gets $429 monthly. In, say, California, you get $694!

The math is obvious.
You also get to claim an additional dependent. TANF is also limited to 5 years for the adult while the CTC goes on forever as long as you have a child under 17. The math is not obvious. Not that it's about math anyway.

But the TANF person gets the dependent as well.

The credit for having a dependent isn't refundable, so if you don't have income to tax it doesn't do you any good.
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« Reply #14 on: January 01, 2013, 11:06:04 PM »
So far, we have "spite" "selfishness" and "public ignorance" as legit answers. Any others?
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« Reply #15 on: January 06, 2013, 03:36:45 AM »
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