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« on: February 12, 2005, 09:08:37 am »

Just wondered what the Democratic view was on the cutting of farm subsidies? Do they support Mr Bush on this one or not?

With my limited knowledge of American politics, I assume that most of the rural "farmer's vote" tends to go Republican......therefore just wondered what the farmer's view of lower subsidies is likely to be.....will the cuts have any effect on the Republican vote in states like Iowa?

I appreciate that it may be unlikely that Mr Bush's reforms will get through congress 100% intact...but I would be interested to know what the view of the farming communities is to this proposal.
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« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2005, 11:07:16 am »
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Why should we pay farmers to grow nothing? That's never made much sense to me whatsoever.
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« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2005, 11:21:10 am »
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Why should we pay farmers to grow nothing? That's never made much sense to me whatsoever.
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I'm not a Democrat either but it seems to me that the honorable Senator from Florida is quite correct.
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« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2005, 11:24:08 am »

Not really arguing whether subsidies make sense....just assumed that most farmers vote Republican....and wondered whether this policy is likely to put states like Iowa firmly back in the Democratic column
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« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2005, 11:56:34 am »
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Not really arguing whether subsidies make sense....just assumed that most farmers vote Republican....and wondered whether this policy is likely to put states like Iowa firmly back in the Democratic column


It depends where they're from and what faction they belong to. There isn't one big monolithic view on everything in the Democratic Party or the GOP.

Generally though more Democrats are in favor of farm subsidies than Republicans.

I'm strongly in favor of them by the way.
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« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2005, 12:10:57 pm »
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Couldn't care less, except that it is wasting money on rural types who vote Republican. 
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« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2005, 12:12:11 pm »
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Couldn't care less, except that it is wasting money on rural types who vote Republican.

Maybe they'll wake up and vote in their best interest for change if the Presidnets budget proposal is fully approved.
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Couldn't care less, except that it is wasting money on rural types who vote Republican.

Maybe they'll wake up and vote in their best interest for change if the Presidnets budget proposal is fully approved.

I have a feeling by the time the typical midwesterner wakes up to his economic interest he will be homeless.
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« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2005, 03:45:51 pm »
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Personally I'm in favour of slashing them for big agri-business type farms (like in California) while increasing them (often by a lot) to smaller farms out in the MidWest
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« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2005, 03:54:58 pm »
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I find it funny when farmers bitch about welfare but have a cow when they can't get subsidized.
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« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2005, 04:30:25 pm »
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I find it funny when farmers bitch about welfare but have a cow when they can't get subsidized.

ROFL.   That is hilarious - 'farmers have a cow'!
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« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2005, 05:04:24 pm »
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Personally I'm in favour of slashing them for big agri-business type farms (like in California) while increasing them (often by a lot) to smaller farms out in the MidWest

The farms in the mid-west are big argi-business too.
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« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2005, 05:13:59 pm »
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Why should we pay farmers to grow nothing? That's never made much sense to me whatsoever.

To stabilize the price on the market dumbass.

But I'd rather have them retrained to do something else.
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« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2005, 05:17:34 pm »
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Why should we pay farmers to grow nothing? That's never made much sense to me whatsoever.

To stabilize the price on the market dumbass.

But I'd rather have them retrained to do something else.

Do you have a problem with cheap food?
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« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2005, 05:19:26 pm »
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Why should we pay farmers to grow nothing? That's never made much sense to me whatsoever.

To stabilize the price on the market dumbass.

But I'd rather have them retrained to do something else.

Do you have a problem with cheap food?

Could farmers be kept in business by selling food at a loss?

I'd rather simply retrain a third of our farmers to do something else and conserve the land, or, on the other side, have the government do a better job at buying up surplus food (on the market, to increase prices) and sending it to poor countries.

Then again, since the world has a food surplus anyway, I think the first option makes more sense, economically and ecologically.

It's time to give the Mojave Desert a rest from agriculture.
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Why should we pay farmers to grow nothing? That's never made much sense to me whatsoever.

To stabilize the price on the market dumbass.

But I'd rather have them retrained to do something else.

Do you have a problem with cheap food?

Could farmers be kept in business by selling food at a loss?

I'd rather simply retrain a third of our farmers to do something else and conserve the land, or, on the other side, have the government do a better job at buying up surplus food (on the market, to increase prices) and sending it to poor countries.

Then again, since the world has a food surplus anyway, I think the first option makes more sense, economically and ecologically.


Isn't it the subsidies that keeps more farmers in business than is required to produce enough food?
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« Reply #16 on: February 12, 2005, 05:35:35 pm »
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I'd rather retrain them to do something else.
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« Reply #17 on: February 12, 2005, 05:36:55 pm »
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They wouldn't sell food at a loss.
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« Reply #18 on: February 12, 2005, 05:40:23 pm »
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Of course they would; if every farmer produced food, we'd have a massive surplus of food that would drive down prices.
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« Reply #19 on: February 12, 2005, 05:42:46 pm »
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Of course they would; if every farmer produced food, we'd have a massive surplus of food that would drive down prices.

Resulting in cheap food, not farmers operating at a loss.
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« Reply #20 on: February 12, 2005, 05:45:09 pm »
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Of course they would; if every farmer produced food, we'd have a massive surplus of food that would drive down prices.

Resulting in cheap food, not farmers operating at a loss.

Cheap food will cause a loss.
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« Reply #21 on: February 12, 2005, 05:48:24 pm »
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They wouldn't grow food at a loss.
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« Reply #22 on: February 13, 2005, 01:13:09 am »
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I don't really know enough about this stuff to fully form a comprehensive opinion, but from what I do know, I'm marginally opposed to farm subsidies.  The more I learn about economics, the more I become in favor of a free market.  If left to its own devices, the farming industry would reach an equilibrium where exactly as much food is being sold as people want to buy.  Subsidies artificially keep an inflated number of people in business and uses taxpayer money to do so.
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« Reply #23 on: February 13, 2005, 01:23:15 am »
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The more I learn about economics, the more I become in favor of a free market.

MWAHAHAHA, our insidious plan is working...errr...I mean...pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!
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« Reply #24 on: February 13, 2005, 02:12:04 am »
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The more I learn about economics, the more I become in favor of a free market.

MWAHAHAHA, our insidious plan is working...errr...I mean...pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!

Hah.

Well, I doubt I'll ever be totally libertarian... I personally think that the government can do good things (mainly centered around rectifying market failure), just not as much as hardcore economic liberals do.
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