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Queen Mum Inks.LWC
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« on: January 28, 2013, 10:38:06 PM »
« edited: March 01, 2013, 11:58:42 PM by Inks.LWC Supports Chuck Hagel »
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« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2013, 10:38:35 PM »
This is 2% higher than the compromise requested by those on the left.  Is this more acceptable?
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« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2013, 08:53:38 PM »
Quote from: Senator X on January 29, 2013, 06:08:54 PM
Quote from: Inks.LWC Supports Chuck Hagel on January 28, 2013, 10:38:35 PM
This is 2% higher than the compromise requested by those on the left.  Is this more acceptable?

That's not true and you know it.  Hell, Tmth first mentioned that possibility in a PM only to reject it later (although he admittedly never committed, only put it out there).

I only saw you post it.  How the hell was I supposed to know that he sent it in a PM?  You made some post about 113% was acceptable... I don't remember.
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« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2013, 09:02:14 PM »
Fine... screw it... I don't care.  Let's just make it 120%.  Is that enough of a compromise now?
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« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2013, 10:54:12 PM »
Well, somebody put up an amendment... I don't care who or what it is.  But if you don't like 110%, put it up now, or forever hold your peace.
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« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2013, 11:01:39 PM »
I'll vote against raising the debt limit.  I only support changes to the percentage of the deficit.
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« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2013, 05:48:56 AM »
And you're willing to support it at that point, correct?
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« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2013, 03:03:18 AM »
« Edited: February 01, 2013, 03:05:18 AM by Inks.LWC Supports Chuck Hagel »
If the 2/3 is what you're worried about, I would be willing to eliminate that in exchange for say, 110%?
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« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2013, 10:42:13 PM »
Quote from: Talleyrand on February 04, 2013, 10:13:41 PM
Then that section of the bill is pointless. I propose the following amendment instead.

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No, that would mean it can never be overridden.  You'll have  to remove sections 2 and 3.
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« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2013, 02:13:09 AM »
Quote from: Gass3268 on February 04, 2013, 11:32:13 PM
Quote from: Inks.LWC Supports Chuck Hagel on February 01, 2013, 03:03:18 AM
If the 2/3 is what you're worried about, I would be willing to eliminate that in exchange for say, 110%?

While I'm worried about that, it is an unnecessary evil because we have to have something to allow us to go over the limit in the case of an emergency. I am just afraid that might always be possible in a case of an emergency due to the economic ideologies of potential Assemblymen. That is why I am fighting to have the limit be as high as reasonably possible.   

Well I'm just saying we'll give the Assembly discretion and let them go as high as they want, as long as its under the overall debt limit.
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« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2013, 11:22:09 AM »
Quote from: Oldiesfreak1854 on February 05, 2013, 11:06:47 AM
Quote from: Gass3268 on February 04, 2013, 11:32:13 PM
Quote from: Inks.LWC Supports Chuck Hagel on February 01, 2013, 03:03:18 AM
If the 2/3 is what you're worried about, I would be willing to eliminate that in exchange for say, 110%?

While I'm worried about that, it is an unnecessary evil because we have to have something to allow us to go over the limit in the case of an emergency. I am just afraid that might always be possible in a case of an emergency due to the economic ideologies of potential Assemblymen. That is why I am fighting to have the limit be as high as reasonably possible.   
I agree with Gass.  I think the emergency clause is important because you never know when you have to go over the limit.  That's why I proposed a simple majority vote to do it instead of 2/3; I was trying to create a reasonable compromise.

IF a simple majority can go over the limit, how is there a limit?
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« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2013, 11:26:49 AM »
Quote from: Oldiesfreak1854 on February 05, 2013, 11:25:25 AM
Quote from: Inks.LWC Supports Chuck Hagel on February 05, 2013, 11:22:09 AM
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Quote from: Gass3268 on February 04, 2013, 11:32:13 PM
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If the 2/3 is what you're worried about, I would be willing to eliminate that in exchange for say, 110%?

While I'm worried about that, it is an unnecessary evil because we have to have something to allow us to go over the limit in the case of an emergency. I am just afraid that might always be possible in a case of an emergency due to the economic ideologies of potential Assemblymen. That is why I am fighting to have the limit be as high as reasonably possible.   
I agree with Gass.  I think the emergency clause is important because you never know when you have to go over the limit.  That's why I proposed a simple majority vote to do it instead of 2/3; I was trying to create a reasonable compromise.

IF a simple majority can go over the limit, how is there a limit?
We could only do it in emergencies that would be specifically designated in the bill.

What is an "emergency"?
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« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2013, 02:47:53 AM »
The following amendment is brought to a vote.  Members will vote AYE, NAY, or ABSTAIN.  This will be a 24-hour vote.

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« Reply #13 on: February 06, 2013, 02:48:28 AM »
« Edited: February 07, 2013, 10:53:08 PM by Inks.LWC Supports Chuck Hagel »
AYE
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« Reply #14 on: February 07, 2013, 10:53:38 PM »
Voting is now closed.  The AYEs are 2, and the NAYs are 1, with 2 not voting.  The AYEs have it, and the amendment is adopted.
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« Reply #15 on: February 08, 2013, 12:10:27 AM »
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« Reply #16 on: February 10, 2013, 10:01:34 PM »
If y'all want a GDP percentage, that's fine with me.
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« Reply #17 on: February 14, 2013, 12:46:21 AM »
Does someone have an amendment?
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« Reply #18 on: February 15, 2013, 12:26:03 PM »
Um... you can't just substitute revenue and GDP.  GDP is going to be substantially bigger than revenue.
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Queen Mum Inks.LWC
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« Reply #19 on: February 18, 2013, 03:36:23 AM »
If we do this by GDP, we'll have to wait until we have a GM in order to get an estimate of what our GDP currently is so we can come up with a figure.
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« Reply #20 on: February 25, 2013, 08:06:09 AM »
I think the original pre-GDP plan was fine, for what it's worth.
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« Reply #21 on: February 27, 2013, 07:16:22 PM »
The following is brought to a final vote.  Members will vote AYE, NAY, or ABSTAIN.  This will be a 48-hour vote.

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« Reply #22 on: February 27, 2013, 11:08:42 PM »
AYE
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« Reply #23 on: February 28, 2013, 03:19:55 PM »
It was removed in the last amendment.
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« Reply #24 on: March 01, 2013, 11:54:21 PM »
« Edited: March 01, 2013, 11:58:29 PM by Inks.LWC Supports Chuck Hagel »
Voting is now closed.  The AYEs are 4, and the NAYs are 0, with 1 not voting.  The AYEs have it, and the bill has passed.  The amendment is now passed on to the people for ratification.
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