The official Oldiesfreak thread

[Oldiesfreak1854]

So about Oldiesfreak being big on anti-racism...

I voted HP by mistake, because I thought you meant Congressman John Lewis.

I don't opppse him because he's black, I oppose him because he's a Democrat.

[Torie]

Fox News mislabeled all those Pubs? And you seem to imply, assuming there was some mens rea, that Fox was in Specter's court against Toomey. Really? And you may disagree with Toomey, but he is hardly an embarrassment. Indeed, my impression is that he is highly respected among his peers, and deservedly so. Phil has every right to be proud of him.

My big problem with Fox, is that they have a retinue of paid guests, who are rather shameless shills just reinforcing the perspective of the host. Folks like Bernie Goldberg are just there to give blow jobs to O'Reilly for example. It's nauseating - just nauseating - and a waste of time. And I read somewhere that Palin is back on Fox. Hopefully that is a false rumor. I mean if you are going to have a shill, at least have one who is not facially mentally challenged.

No idea where you're getting me calling Toomey an embarrassment from. Haven't said something like that.

The context of falsely labeling him by Fox as something other than a Pub - the idea being that you falsely label those whom you wish were in another party than the one that you shill for, because they are an embarrassment. That is where it came from. But I take your word for it, that you don't think Toomey is a bottom feeder.

[free my dawg]

Fox News mislabeled all those Pubs? And you seem to imply, assuming there was some mens rea, that Fox was in Specter's court against Toomey. Really? And you may disagree with Toomey, but he is hardly an embarrassment. Indeed, my impression is that he is highly respected among his peers, and deservedly so. Phil has every right to be proud of him.

My big problem with Fox, is that they have a retinue of paid guests, who are rather shameless shills just reinforcing the perspective of the host. Folks like Bernie Goldberg are just there to give blow jobs to O'Reilly for example. It's nauseating - just nauseating - and a waste of time. And I read somewhere that Palin is back on Fox. Hopefully that is a false rumor. I mean if you are going to have a shill, at least have one who is not facially mentally challenged.

Yes, Fox News mislabeled all those Republicans. Joe Republic chronicles these others well, and I'm not going to stretch the page, but I'll expound on these:


Fox News telegraphed this famous liberal Republican's party switch after he was defeated. Probably just people behind the stage grumbling about a goddamned RINO.


Another telegraphed switch by a liberal party member. Surely they wouldn't be in this guy's corner if he complained about Alberto Gonzalez.


Still have no idea where you can get the idea that I said Toomey is an embarrassment, considering they actually HAVE labeled them as a Republican. If anything, I think it's more of a dig at Specter, considering it was pre-party switch. I've never said something to that effect on this forum (though I did criticize him before as "a poor fit for his state ideologically" before the background check bill. You can ask Phil, considering he was the one that rebutted it), but not to the harsh extent that you claimed that I did.

[free my dawg]

So about Oldiesfreak being big on anti-racism...

I voted HP by mistake, because I thought you meant Congressman John Lewis.

I don't opppse him because he's black, I oppose him because he's a Democrat.

So you're going to disregard all the work he did for the civil rights movement and at SNCC for 25 years of service in Congress on your opposing team?

You're a joke. I honestly hadn't think I'd find an incident with a Republican that I'd be disgusted in more than when Krazen used the bombings on my city as political fodder, but somehow I have. Sure, I absolutely hate facing Mariano Rivera when my boys are facing the Yankees, but off the field, he's arguably the classiest player of all-time, and I'm sad to see him retire. He's against the people I root for, but I can still like him as a person. The fact that you don't proves incidents like Wallacegate's not about race. You just want to score political points.

[Oldiesfreak1854]

So about Oldiesfreak being big on anti-racism...

I voted HP by mistake, because I thought you meant Congressman John Lewis.

I don't opppse him because he's black, I oppose him because he's a Democrat.

So you're going to disregard all the work he did for the civil rights movement and at SNCC for 25 years of service in Congress on your opposing team?

You're a joke. I honestly hadn't think I'd find an incident with a Republican that I'd be disgusted in more than when Krazen used the bombings on my city as political fodder, but somehow I have. Sure, I absolutely hate facing Mariano Rivera when my boys are facing the Yankees, but off the field, he's arguably the classiest player of all-time, and I'm sad to see him retire. He's against the people I root for, but I can still like him as a person. The fact that you don't proves incidents like Wallacegate's not about race. You just want to score political points.

No; I have much respect for the work he did for the civil rights movement, but considering that, it's amazing that he belongs to a party that included most of the opponents of the civil rights movement.  And he also compared John McCain and Sarah Palin to George Wallace (who was, of course, a Democrat) during the 2008 campaign: http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/1008/John_Lewis_invoking_George_Wallace_says_McCain_and_Palin_playing_with_fire.html

[Kitteh]

So about Oldiesfreak being big on anti-racism...

I voted HP by mistake, because I thought you meant Congressman John Lewis.

I don't opppse him because he's black, I oppose him because he's a Democrat.

So you're going to disregard all the work he did for the civil rights movement and at SNCC for 25 years of service in Congress on your opposing team?

You're a joke. I honestly hadn't think I'd find an incident with a Republican that I'd be disgusted in more than when Krazen used the bombings on my city as political fodder, but somehow I have. Sure, I absolutely hate facing Mariano Rivera when my boys are facing the Yankees, but off the field, he's arguably the classiest player of all-time, and I'm sad to see him retire. He's against the people I root for, but I can still like him as a person. The fact that you don't proves incidents like Wallacegate's not about race. You just want to score political points.

No; I have much respect for the work he did for the civil rights movement, but considering that, it's amazing that he belongs to a party that included most of the opponents of the civil rights movement.  And he also compared John McCain and Sarah Palin to George Wallace (who was, of course, a Democrat) during the 2008 campaign: http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/1008/John_Lewis_invoking_George_Wallace_says_McCain_and_Palin_playing_with_fire.html

Perhaps someone who was a leader of the civil rights movement understands the actual history of the civil rights movement better than some 19 year old kid reading things on the internet.

[free my dawg]

So about Oldiesfreak being big on anti-racism...

I voted HP by mistake, because I thought you meant Congressman John Lewis.

I don't opppse him because he's black, I oppose him because he's a Democrat.

So you're going to disregard all the work he did for the civil rights movement and at SNCC for 25 years of service in Congress on your opposing team?

You're a joke. I honestly hadn't think I'd find an incident with a Republican that I'd be disgusted in more than when Krazen used the bombings on my city as political fodder, but somehow I have. Sure, I absolutely hate facing Mariano Rivera when my boys are facing the Yankees, but off the field, he's arguably the classiest player of all-time, and I'm sad to see him retire. He's against the people I root for, but I can still like him as a person. The fact that you don't proves incidents like Wallacegate's not about race. You just want to score political points.

No; I have much respect for the work he did for the civil rights movement, but considering that, it's amazing that he belongs to a party that included most of the opponents of the civil rights movement.  And he also compared John McCain and Sarah Palin to George Wallace (who was, of course, a Democrat) during the 2008 campaign: http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/1008/John_Lewis_invoking_George_Wallace_says_McCain_and_Palin_playing_with_fire.html

So you're essentially calling him a race traitor.

Allen West is more sane than you.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Michele Bachmann

[Oldiesfreak1854]

So about Oldiesfreak being big on anti-racism...

I voted HP by mistake, because I thought you meant Congressman John Lewis.

I don't opppse him because he's black, I oppose him because he's a Democrat.

So you're going to disregard all the work he did for the civil rights movement and at SNCC for 25 years of service in Congress on your opposing team?

You're a joke. I honestly hadn't think I'd find an incident with a Republican that I'd be disgusted in more than when Krazen used the bombings on my city as political fodder, but somehow I have. Sure, I absolutely hate facing Mariano Rivera when my boys are facing the Yankees, but off the field, he's arguably the classiest player of all-time, and I'm sad to see him retire. He's against the people I root for, but I can still like him as a person. The fact that you don't proves incidents like Wallacegate's not about race. You just want to score political points.

No; I have much respect for the work he did for the civil rights movement, but considering that, it's amazing that he belongs to a party that included most of the opponents of the civil rights movement.  And he also compared John McCain and Sarah Palin to George Wallace (who was, of course, a Democrat) during the 2008 campaign: http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/1008/John_Lewis_invoking_George_Wallace_says_McCain_and_Palin_playing_with_fire.html

Perhaps someone who was a leader of the civil rights movement understands the actual history of the civil rights movement better than some 19 year old kid reading things on the internet.

Believe me, I've read plenty of history in textbooks (even left-wing ones), and I think I have a pretty good grasp of the history of the civil rights movement.

[Donerail]

So about Oldiesfreak being big on anti-racism...

I voted HP by mistake, because I thought you meant Congressman John Lewis.

I don't opppse him because he's black, I oppose him because he's a Democrat.

So you're going to disregard all the work he did for the civil rights movement and at SNCC for 25 years of service in Congress on your opposing team?

You're a joke. I honestly hadn't think I'd find an incident with a Republican that I'd be disgusted in more than when Krazen used the bombings on my city as political fodder, but somehow I have. Sure, I absolutely hate facing Mariano Rivera when my boys are facing the Yankees, but off the field, he's arguably the classiest player of all-time, and I'm sad to see him retire. He's against the people I root for, but I can still like him as a person. The fact that you don't proves incidents like Wallacegate's not about race. You just want to score political points.

No; I have much respect for the work he did for the civil rights movement, but considering that, it's amazing that he belongs to a party that included most of the opponents of the civil rights movement.  And he also compared John McCain and Sarah Palin to George Wallace (who was, of course, a Democrat) during the 2008 campaign: http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/1008/John_Lewis_invoking_George_Wallace_says_McCain_and_Palin_playing_with_fire.html

Perhaps someone who was a leader of the civil rights movement understands the actual history of the civil rights movement better than some 19 year old kid reading things on the internet.

Believe me, I've read plenty of history in textbooks (even left-wing ones), and I think I have a pretty good grasp of the history of the civil rights movement.

[Kitteh]

So about Oldiesfreak being big on anti-racism...

I voted HP by mistake, because I thought you meant Congressman John Lewis.

I don't opppse him because he's black, I oppose him because he's a Democrat.

So you're going to disregard all the work he did for the civil rights movement and at SNCC for 25 years of service in Congress on your opposing team?

You're a joke. I honestly hadn't think I'd find an incident with a Republican that I'd be disgusted in more than when Krazen used the bombings on my city as political fodder, but somehow I have. Sure, I absolutely hate facing Mariano Rivera when my boys are facing the Yankees, but off the field, he's arguably the classiest player of all-time, and I'm sad to see him retire. He's against the people I root for, but I can still like him as a person. The fact that you don't proves incidents like Wallacegate's not about race. You just want to score political points.

No; I have much respect for the work he did for the civil rights movement, but considering that, it's amazing that he belongs to a party that included most of the opponents of the civil rights movement.  And he also compared John McCain and Sarah Palin to George Wallace (who was, of course, a Democrat) during the 2008 campaign: http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/1008/John_Lewis_invoking_George_Wallace_says_McCain_and_Palin_playing_with_fire.html

Perhaps someone who was a leader of the civil rights movement understands the actual history of the civil rights movement better than some 19 year old kid reading things on the internet.in school textbooks.

Believe me, I've read plenty of history in textbooks (even left-wing ones), and I think I have a pretty good grasp of the history of the civil rights movement.

Okay, fixed.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

[RogueBeaver]

Why are you surprised about Oldies' Lewis comments? He said the same thing about Obama.

Tangent: Anyone wish Oldiesfreak was here in 2008? Especially during the primary.

Black Democrat clinching the nomination of that RACIST party?

Honestly, as a Republican, I did feel betrayed by that.

[free my dawg]

Why are you surprised about Oldies' Lewis comments? He said the same thing about Obama.

Tangent: Anyone wish Oldiesfreak was here in 2008? Especially during the primary.

Black Democrat clinching the nomination of that RACIST party?

Honestly, as a Republican, I did feel betrayed by that.

My first post on FC was in March so I never saw that.

[Oldiesfreak1854]

So about Oldiesfreak being big on anti-racism...

I voted HP by mistake, because I thought you meant Congressman John Lewis.

I don't opppse him because he's black, I oppose him because he's a Democrat.

So you're going to disregard all the work he did for the civil rights movement and at SNCC for 25 years of service in Congress on your opposing team?

You're a joke. I honestly hadn't think I'd find an incident with a Republican that I'd be disgusted in more than when Krazen used the bombings on my city as political fodder, but somehow I have. Sure, I absolutely hate facing Mariano Rivera when my boys are facing the Yankees, but off the field, he's arguably the classiest player of all-time, and I'm sad to see him retire. He's against the people I root for, but I can still like him as a person. The fact that you don't proves incidents like Wallacegate's not about race. You just want to score political points.

No; I have much respect for the work he did for the civil rights movement, but considering that, it's amazing that he belongs to a party that included most of the opponents of the civil rights movement.  And he also compared John McCain and Sarah Palin to George Wallace (who was, of course, a Democrat) during the 2008 campaign: http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/1008/John_Lewis_invoking_George_Wallace_says_McCain_and_Palin_playing_with_fire.html

Perhaps someone who was a leader of the civil rights movement understands the actual history of the civil rights movement better than some 19 year old kid reading things on the internet.

Believe me, I've read plenty of history in textbooks (even left-wing ones), and I think I have a pretty good grasp of the history of the civil rights movement.

This

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

As I believe Cathcon said in my poll on Vito Marcantonio, communist tool.  HP.

Eugene Debs wasn't a communist.

No, but he was a socialist, which is communism's next-door neighbor.  After all, the only major difference is communism is authoritarian and socialism is democratic.

[free my dawg]

So about Oldiesfreak being big on anti-racism...

I voted HP by mistake, because I thought you meant Congressman John Lewis.

I don't opppse him because he's black, I oppose him because he's a Democrat.

So you're going to disregard all the work he did for the civil rights movement and at SNCC for 25 years of service in Congress on your opposing team?

You're a joke. I honestly hadn't think I'd find an incident with a Republican that I'd be disgusted in more than when Krazen used the bombings on my city as political fodder, but somehow I have. Sure, I absolutely hate facing Mariano Rivera when my boys are facing the Yankees, but off the field, he's arguably the classiest player of all-time, and I'm sad to see him retire. He's against the people I root for, but I can still like him as a person. The fact that you don't proves incidents like Wallacegate's not about race. You just want to score political points.

No; I have much respect for the work he did for the civil rights movement, but considering that, it's amazing that he belongs to a party that included most of the opponents of the civil rights movement.  And he also compared John McCain and Sarah Palin to George Wallace (who was, of course, a Democrat) during the 2008 campaign: http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/1008/John_Lewis_invoking_George_Wallace_says_McCain_and_Palin_playing_with_fire.html

Perhaps someone who was a leader of the civil rights movement understands the actual history of the civil rights movement better than some 19 year old kid reading things on the internet.

Believe me, I've read plenty of history in textbooks (even left-wing ones), and I think I have a pretty good grasp of the history of the civil rights movement.

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So by that logic, since I've read a bunch of books on child soldiers in Africa, I am now an expert. To hell with college then, I'm going to the United Nations. Thanks, Oldiesfreak!

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

"According to Oldies, 94% of blacks are race traitors.

#wearethesixpercent"

-Simfan

[Oldiesfreak1854]

As I believe Cathcon said in my poll on Vito Marcantonio, communist tool.  HP.

Eugene Debs wasn't a communist.

No, but he was a socialist, which is communism's next-door neighbor.  After all, the only major difference is communism is authoritarian and socialism is democratic.

But it's true.

So about Oldiesfreak being big on anti-racism...

I voted HP by mistake, because I thought you meant Congressman John Lewis.

I don't opppse him because he's black, I oppose him because he's a Democrat.

So you're going to disregard all the work he did for the civil rights movement and at SNCC for 25 years of service in Congress on your opposing team?

You're a joke. I honestly hadn't think I'd find an incident with a Republican that I'd be disgusted in more than when Krazen used the bombings on my city as political fodder, but somehow I have. Sure, I absolutely hate facing Mariano Rivera when my boys are facing the Yankees, but off the field, he's arguably the classiest player of all-time, and I'm sad to see him retire. He's against the people I root for, but I can still like him as a person. The fact that you don't proves incidents like Wallacegate's not about race. You just want to score political points.

No; I have much respect for the work he did for the civil rights movement, but considering that, it's amazing that he belongs to a party that included most of the opponents of the civil rights movement.  And he also compared John McCain and Sarah Palin to George Wallace (who was, of course, a Democrat) during the 2008 campaign: http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/1008/John_Lewis_invoking_George_Wallace_says_McCain_and_Palin_playing_with_fire.html

Perhaps someone who was a leader of the civil rights movement understands the actual history of the civil rights movement better than some 19 year old kid reading things on the internet.

Believe me, I've read plenty of history in textbooks (even left-wing ones), and I think I have a pretty good grasp of the history of the civil rights movement.

This

So by that logic, since I've read a bunch of books on child soldiers in Africa, I am now an expert. To hell with college then, I'm going to the United Nations. Thanks, Oldiesfreak!

No, I don't mean just plain old books, I mean textbooks, written by experts in the field.  Even the most anti-Republican scholars have at least admitted to the Democrats' racism in the 19th century, even if they refuse to acknowledge it during the 20th.

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

As I believe Cathcon said in my poll on Vito Marcantonio, communist tool.  HP.

Eugene Debs wasn't a communist.

No, but he was a socialist, which is communism's next-door neighbor.  After all, the only major difference is communism is authoritarian and socialism is democratic.

But it's true.

No, it isn't.  Learn your terminology.  I don't get why you view yourself as 'above' the Tea Party when your knowledge of politics obviously matches theirs.

[Oldiesfreak1854]

As I believe Cathcon said in my poll on Vito Marcantonio, communist tool.  HP.

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No, but he was a socialist, which is communism's next-door neighbor.  After all, the only major difference is communism is authoritarian and socialism is democratic.

But it's true.

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One of my PoliSci professors (who is very unabashedly and blatantly left-wing) has said that is the main difference between communism and socialism.  What Marx believed is that an authoritarian government (communism) is necessary as a temporary fix to un-brainwash the masses from capitalism and prepare them for a democratic and socialist society.

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

But communism and socialism are two different schools of thought.  I don't really care what ideology your professor ascribes to.  One can be a socialist, but not necessarily a communist, and socialism in its truest form has never been tried on a national level - even in countries that are often referred to as socialist.

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[Oldiesfreak1854]

As I believe Cathcon said in my poll on Vito Marcantonio, communist tool.  HP.

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No, but he was a socialist, which is communism's next-door neighbor.  After all, the only major difference is communism is authoritarian and socialism is democratic.

But it's true.

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But communism and socialism are two different schools of thought.  I don't really care what ideology your professor ascribes to.  One can be a socialist, but not necessarily a communist, and socialism in its truest form has never been tried on a national level - even countries that are often referred to as socialist.

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That is, in a sense, true, since many countries in Europe that we label "socialist" are fundamentally capitalist, but simply have a larger welfare state.

[World politics is up Schmitt creek]

The idea that the dictatorship of the proletariat stage is what's referred to as 'communism' rather than 'socialism' in orthodox Marxist thought is, uh...

[Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook]

As I believe Cathcon said in my poll on Vito Marcantonio, communist tool.  HP.

Eugene Debs wasn't a communist.

No, but he was a socialist, which is communism's next-door neighbor.  After all, the only major difference is communism is authoritarian and socialism is democratic.

But it's true.

So about Oldiesfreak being big on anti-racism...

I voted HP by mistake, because I thought you meant Congressman John Lewis.

I don't opppse him because he's black, I oppose him because he's a Democrat.

So you're going to disregard all the work he did for the civil rights movement and at SNCC for 25 years of service in Congress on your opposing team?

You're a joke. I honestly hadn't think I'd find an incident with a Republican that I'd be disgusted in more than when Krazen used the bombings on my city as political fodder, but somehow I have. Sure, I absolutely hate facing Mariano Rivera when my boys are facing the Yankees, but off the field, he's arguably the classiest player of all-time, and I'm sad to see him retire. He's against the people I root for, but I can still like him as a person. The fact that you don't proves incidents like Wallacegate's not about race. You just want to score political points.

No; I have much respect for the work he did for the civil rights movement, but considering that, it's amazing that he belongs to a party that included most of the opponents of the civil rights movement.  And he also compared John McCain and Sarah Palin to George Wallace (who was, of course, a Democrat) during the 2008 campaign: http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/1008/John_Lewis_invoking_George_Wallace_says_McCain_and_Palin_playing_with_fire.html

Perhaps someone who was a leader of the civil rights movement understands the actual history of the civil rights movement better than some 19 year old kid reading things on the internet.

Believe me, I've read plenty of history in textbooks (even left-wing ones), and I think I have a pretty good grasp of the history of the civil rights movement.

This

So by that logic, since I've read a bunch of books on child soldiers in Africa, I am now an expert. To hell with college then, I'm going to the United Nations. Thanks, Oldiesfreak!

No, I don't mean just plain old books, I mean textbooks, written by experts in the field.  Even the most anti-Republican scholars have at least admitted to the Democrats' racism in the 19th century, even if they refuse to acknowledge it during the 20th.

Because the Democrats stopped being the racist party in the mid-to-late 1960s, think skull. They should admitted the early 20th century racism too, as the KKK endorsed Hoover.