The official Oldiesfreak thread

[Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook]

He's black y'all!

[Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook]

His theme song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFY2kJ96jNY

[Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook]

Umm... The Democratic party was formed so Andrew Jackson could deafeat JQA, and Jackson was, unlike him, a man of the people. Jackson didn't form it based on racism. The racism was just a very long backwards step until LBJ took over and made it the Civil Rights party again.

[Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook]

On the surface, direct popular vote seems fairer, but if you don't live in a big state like California, Texas, New York, or Florida, then you would have virtually no say in that system.

Wrong, wrong, absolutely brimming over with wrongability.

In a direct popular vote, one vote is one vote, regardless of whether you live in New York City or Hooterville. Let's compare the two systems. Let's say the Republican wins Wyoming by ten thousand votes and the Democrat wins California by ten thousand votes. With a direct popular vote, the election is tied at this point. But in the Electoral College, the Democrat leads 55-3. That means that the ten thousand voters who made the difference in California are over eighteen times as powerful as the ten thousand voters who made the difference in Wyoming. This does not resemble anything even remotely fair. And if you bothered to watch the video that FallenMorgan posted, you'd know that the 100 most populous cities in America amount to less than 20% of the population, proving the absurdity of the argument that big cities would dominate presidential elections in a popular vote system.

Not true.  Big states would be even more powerful than they are now under popular vote.  For example, a candidate could carry California, lose every other state, and still win the election because California has so many more people.

[Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook]

Still waiting for Oldies to come with a rational explanation for this:

That was the exception, not the rule.  It wasn't until 1980 that the South started becoming solidly Republican in presidential elections, and it wasn't until the 90s that the GOP started becoming dominant in state elections there.

Expand a little more. 

[Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook]

Oldiesfreak, here's the truth in a nutshell:

Democratic Solid South-LBJ does the Civil rights thing-AUH20 wins Deep South-Nixon appeals to the racists in the Democratic party-Racist democrats vote for him-Nixon resigns-Ford and Carter are not racist-Ronald Reagan elected-Black people hate Ronald Reagan-Racists mostly join GOP except for hacks and party loyalits.

[Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook]

Oldiesfreak, here's the truth in a nutshell:

Democratic Solid South-LBJ does the Civil rights thing-AUH20 wins Deep South-Nixon appeals to the racists in the Democratic party-Racist democrats vote for him-Nixon resigns-Ford and Carter are not racist-Ronald Reagan elected-Black people hate Ronald Reagan-Racists mostly join GOP except for hacks and party loyalits.

No, here is the truth in a nutshell:

LBJ signs the Civil Rights Act for political expediency.  The "Solid South" flips to Goldwater and the Republicans, but only for that election.  Wallace splits the Democratic vote over civil rights in 1968, handing several Southern states to Nixon.  Nixon doesn't pander to racists due to Wallace's candidacy making it pointless.  A few segregationists became Republicans, but the vast majority stayed Democrats for life.

Let me expand on my side:

LBJ does Civil Rights stuff partly because his predecessor's death (death of a predecessor can help change views- see Chester Arthur's views before and after Garfield died.), and partly because of his own anti-intitutionalized racism, but he was still very racist himself by modern standards. As a result, the southern Democrats in 1964 voted for Goldwater, because Goldwater opposed the actions.

In 1968, with another anti-racist on the Democrat ticket, the southerners form a new party and make bigot George Wallace the nominee. Wallace wins most of the south because of his racism. The rest split the vote and Nixon wins. From then on, Nixon pandered to the racists.

After Carter was nominated, the south briefly became democratic (only because Carter himself was a southerner), but then Reagan, who won, pandered even more so to the racists, doing everything he can to make blacks miserable. As a result, the Republicans become the party of racism. Most racist Democrats switch parties, such as Thurmond. A few don't join, but only stay out of party loyalty than re-alignment.

Political parties evolve. Jackson would be appalled by todays Democrats, as well as Lincoln and todays Republicans.

[Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook]

What's your beef with Washington?

He was a slaveholder and not a member of the Republican party (such a thing did exist back then, but hardly as a vehicle of anti-slavery activists, and it now contains "Democratic-" suffix added by historians later). My guess anyway.

[Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook]

Stupid R-MI.

[Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook]

Imagine how this thread would go if Oldies was here at the time:

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=142035.msg3050231;topicseen#msg3050231

[Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sm7o_MxmiE0

Just when I thought MSNBC couldn't get more insane, they do by intentionally putting an "R" next to George Wallace's name in a video.  Never mind that George Wallace was a Democrat and never joined the GOP.  MSNBC is simply trying to rewrite history to make it look like racist Democrats like George Wallace were Republicans.

[Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook]

As I believe Cathcon said in my poll on Vito Marcantonio, communist tool.  HP.

Eugene Debs wasn't a communist.

No, but he was a socialist, which is communism's next-door neighbor.  After all, the only major difference is communism is authoritarian and socialism is democratic.

But it's true.

So about Oldiesfreak being big on anti-racism...

I voted HP by mistake, because I thought you meant Congressman John Lewis.

I don't opppse him because he's black, I oppose him because he's a Democrat.

So you're going to disregard all the work he did for the civil rights movement and at SNCC for 25 years of service in Congress on your opposing team?

You're a joke. I honestly hadn't think I'd find an incident with a Republican that I'd be disgusted in more than when Krazen used the bombings on my city as political fodder, but somehow I have. Sure, I absolutely hate facing Mariano Rivera when my boys are facing the Yankees, but off the field, he's arguably the classiest player of all-time, and I'm sad to see him retire. He's against the people I root for, but I can still like him as a person. The fact that you don't proves incidents like Wallacegate's not about race. You just want to score political points.

No; I have much respect for the work he did for the civil rights movement, but considering that, it's amazing that he belongs to a party that included most of the opponents of the civil rights movement.  And he also compared John McCain and Sarah Palin to George Wallace (who was, of course, a Democrat) during the 2008 campaign: http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/1008/John_Lewis_invoking_George_Wallace_says_McCain_and_Palin_playing_with_fire.html

Perhaps someone who was a leader of the civil rights movement understands the actual history of the civil rights movement better than some 19 year old kid reading things on the internet.

Believe me, I've read plenty of history in textbooks (even left-wing ones), and I think I have a pretty good grasp of the history of the civil rights movement.

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So by that logic, since I've read a bunch of books on child soldiers in Africa, I am now an expert. To hell with college then, I'm going to the United Nations. Thanks, Oldiesfreak!

No, I don't mean just plain old books, I mean textbooks, written by experts in the field.  Even the most anti-Republican scholars have at least admitted to the Democrats' racism in the 19th century, even if they refuse to acknowledge it during the 20th.

Because the Democrats stopped being the racist party in the mid-to-late 1960s, think skull. They should admitted the early 20th century racism too, as the KKK endorsed Hoover.

[Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook]

I can't wait to see what he says about the Voting Rights Act.

[Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook]

Republican voters (and especially self-described conservatives) continue to hate gays with all the soul and all their heart and all their might. The Republican politicians are indeed extremely annoyed. Their primary tool for getting workers to vote against their own interests no longer works in much of the country. Though it remains highly effective in other areas. But I have no doubt that they will continue to support oppression and indignity by whatever convenient means in the future. At the moment, it seems like we are returning to the ancient ballad of "States Rights." Why does that sound so darn familiar?

Maybe because Democrats used it to support Jim Crow.

[Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook]

For the same reason he's still so beloved by Americans in general.  He was young and charismatic, and more importantly, he got assassinated.

It fits the narrative of the young, courageous (right), crusading liberal President, struck down in his prime as he was about to change the world, end the war in Vietnam (right), pass Civil Rights, etc.

But only after the March on Washington made him do it.  During that march, he expressed concern that the demonstrators would "sh*t" on the Washington Monument.

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Thank you for posting stupid things directly into your thread, bruv:

The civil rights movement had long ended by 1990

Well, what I meant was that segregation had been long since solved as an issue by then.

Ehhhh...

That looks more like classism to me.

[Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook]

I'd hate to bump such an old thread, but oldiesfreak is getting freakier than ever.

I hope not.  We need reasonable people like him in Washington, unlike the extreme progressives and Tea Partiers that have a chokehold there now.

HP for being a sore loser. He was well within his rights to contest the election because of how close it was. But he dragged it out for months longer after the resolution just to keep Franken from getting seated.

If anybody was the sore loser in that race, it was Franken, and he stole the election with the help of convicted felons illegally voting for him.

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Same reason most racial minorities are Democrats: because they've been brainwashed by Dems that the GOP is racist.  Vietnamese-Americans are an exception to this, and I wouldn't be surprised if there are a number of Chinese-Americans, Korean-Americans, or Cambodian-Americans that are Republican.

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Yes.  I am prolife and oppose abortion except to save the mother's life.  Allowing abortion in cases of rape and incest sends the message to men that they can use women however they want sexually without consequence.  It essentially is the ultimate objectification of women. 

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Probably vote straight GOP since 1856.

You do realize that the GOP and the Democrats have completely switched on most issues since this time?

That's a cute myth liberals like to tell themselves so that they can forget that Democrats championed racism for 130 years.

Oldies himself didn't say this, but the fact that he posted it in the GPG makes it worthy of here.

[Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook]

Epic HP who never checks his facts.  I remember one of his "This Day in History" segments when he talked about Reagan's first debate with Mondale in 1984 and called him "then Governor Reagan."  He also referred to ADHD as "HDHD", among other laughable mistakes.