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« on: February 02, 2013, 10:11:02 PM »

The one that really comes to mind is Steve Chabot in OH-01 from 1994 to 2008.  That district was at best a swing district and Chabot voted like a Congressman from the most conservative part of Alabama. 

Carol Shea-Porter in NH-01.  This is the kind of district that would probably easily elect a New Democrat, but Shea-Porter is a member of the Progressive Caucus and does little to moderate her views.

Coffman in CO-06.  This is a slightly Dem leaning seat, yet Coffman is a birther.

Jim Nussle in IA-01/IA-02.  This was clearly a Democratic seat(around D+6 by 2004), yet Nussle was another Steve Chabot type and kept winning here until he left to run for governor in 2006.

There were a lot of these mismatches in the 1970's and 1980's when very liberal Democrats like Tom Downey, Jim Jontz, and Marty Russo kept winning heavily Republican districts.  Now with increased polarization, this phenomenon is less common.
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« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2013, 10:23:21 PM »

Bob Edgar (was congressman from the philly burbs before they were dem leaning)
John Brademas (very liberal congressman from Michiana area)
Scott Garrett (R leaning seat but these are LoBiondo Rs)
Phillip Crane (represented Cook County panhandle, was a john bircher if I recall)
Morris Udall - before the 81 remap gave him a new seat, he was considered too liberal
Doug Bereuter - fairly moderate R for the district he represented
Edith Green - fairly hawkish and conservative leaning dem considering she represented Portland
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« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2013, 10:42:39 PM »

Bob Edgar (was congressman from the philly burbs before they were dem leaning)
John Brademas (very liberal congressman from Michiana area)
Scott Garrett (R leaning seat but these are LoBiondo Rs)
Phillip Crane (represented Cook County panhandle, was a john bircher if I recall)
Morris Udall - before the 81 remap gave him a new seat, he was considered too liberal
Doug Bereuter - fairly moderate R for the district he represented
Edith Green - fairly hawkish and conservative leaning dem considering she represented Portland

Crane's seat was always pretty Republican when he held it.  Back in the 1970's most of Cook county was pretty Republican outside of the Chicago city limits. 

Speaking of that area, I would add Abner Mikva, who represented a district in North Cook county that was around R+10 and his voting record was as liberal as Rostenkowski and Sid Yates. 

Another good addition would be Paul Ryan before the 2002 redistricting.  Democrats should have clubbed him over the head and beat him in 1998 with some of the ideas he had about Social Security. 
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« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2013, 10:42:53 PM »

Ann Marie Buerkle
Chip Cravaack
Renee Ellmers
Betsy Markey
Alan Grayson (for the old FL-08)
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« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2013, 10:46:32 PM »

Bob Turner, Joseph Cao, and Charles Djou.
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« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2013, 10:52:16 PM »

Bob Turner, Joseph Cao, and Charles Djou.

Turner - don't know much about him but I would say you're right since he is supposedly pretty conservative

Cao - he was a moderate pub. He wasn't that far off ideologically from the Boggs

Djou - he was also somewhat moderate. It's not like Louie Gohmert held that seat
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« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2013, 10:54:39 PM »

Speaking of that area, I would add Abner Mikva, who represented a district in North Cook county that was around R+10 and his voting record was as liberal as Rostenkowski and Sid Yates. 

Another good addition would be Paul Ryan before the 2002 redistricting.  Democrats should have clubbed him over the head and beat him in 1998 with some of the ideas he had about Social Security. 

Rosty was a fairly moderate dem. I'd compare him to someone like Lipinski. As for Paul Ryan, the people in WI-1 always re-elected him because he kept a low profile. It wasn't until he started unveiling his "path to poverty" that his percentages declined (whether he's going to be vulnerable from now on remains to be seen)
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« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2013, 10:56:05 PM »

Gary Miller (in the district he represents now).
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« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2013, 11:01:11 PM »

Bob Turner, Joseph Cao, and Charles Djou.

Turner - don't know much about him but I would say you're right since he is supposedly pretty conservative

Cao - he was a moderate pub. He wasn't that far off ideologically from the Boggs

Djou - he was also somewhat moderate. It's not like Louie Gohmert held that seat

Cao was fairly moderate, yes, but hey, he represented New Orleans. Tongue

Djou, I don't know a great deal about him.  I could be wrong, but I believe he had a socially conservative streak, at least on the gay marriage issue.  While probably not the poorest fit for his district, he was heavily to the right of it by Hawaii standards.
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« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2013, 11:32:01 AM »

Rosty was a fairly moderate dem. I'd compare him to someone like Lipinski.

Speaking of Rosty: if by default, his one-term GOP successor, Michael Flanagan, also bears mention in this thread.
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« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2013, 11:53:34 AM »

Frank Pallone in 1988 won what was a heavily Republican district where Bush won by a large margin. The guy challenging Lautenberg also won that district.
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« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2013, 03:02:58 PM »

I would say that Jason Chaffetz doesn't fit UT-03, but that's just because he gives the vibes of an urban politician rather than what his mostly rural district suggests.
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« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2013, 03:10:12 PM »

The one that really comes to mind is Steve Chabot in OH-01 from 1994 to 2008.  That district was at best a swing district and Chabot voted like a Congressman from the most conservative part of Alabama. 

Chabot's not really that bad of a fit bearing in mind how polarized the old OH-1 was. He's pretty typical for the Cincinnati area Republicans. Elections in OH-1 were all about demographics and turnout, not convincing moderates.
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« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2013, 05:46:05 PM »

Frank Pallone in 1988 won what was a heavily Republican district where Bush won by a large margin. The guy challenging Lautenberg also won that district.

Were you living in NJ at the time? Do you remember the beach closings from medical waste? That was Pallone's single issue he rode to victory.
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« Reply #14 on: February 03, 2013, 07:32:07 PM »

Frank Pallone in 1988 won what was a heavily Republican district where Bush won by a large margin. The guy challenging Lautenberg also won that district.

Were you living in NJ at the time? Do you remember the beach closings from medical waste? That was Pallone's single issue he rode to victory.

Well, yes, but I was too young for politics.

I believe Bush bashed Dukakis for that as the waste came from Massachusetts.


That said, unlike most of the 1 term flukes in this thread, which are really not all that notable, Pallone won that district twice before the 1991 redistricting.
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« Reply #15 on: February 03, 2013, 07:53:35 PM »

I believe Bush bashed Dukakis for that as the waste came from Massachusetts.

My memory is that it all came from Brooklyn. Bush did bash Dukakis about the filth in Boston Harbor, though. The NJ problem was medical waste and syringes, while Boston had a sewage problem.
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« Reply #16 on: February 03, 2013, 07:57:43 PM »

The one that really comes to mind is Steve Chabot in OH-01 from 1994 to 2008.  That district was at best a swing district and Chabot voted like a Congressman from the most conservative part of Alabama. 

Chabot's not really that bad of a fit bearing in mind how polarized the old OH-1 was. He's pretty typical for the Cincinnati area Republicans. Elections in OH-1 were all about demographics and turnout, not convincing moderates.

OH-01 voted twice for Clinton and went for Bush by a good margin in 2000, yet then gave him only about a 2,000 vote margin in 2004.  Sherrod Brown won it by double digits in 2006.  He should have lost in 2006 or probably even 1998.  

Another couple of bad fits were Rick White and Randy Tate in WA-01 and WA-09 in the mid 1990's.  Both of them were very right wing members in Democratic leaning districts.  Tate was promptly booted in 1996, yet White amazingly survived 1996 before he lost to Jay Inslee in 1998.  

One that I was thinking about a lot was Jim Bacchus in FL-11/FL-15(the Space Coast district) from 1990 to 1994.  That was like a 71% Bush district in 1988 and went for Bush by double digits even in 1992.  And its not even like this seat had a Democratic heritage like FL-01 did.  A Republican held it from its creation in 1962 until 1978, when Bill Nelson won it.  Bacchus was a pretty liberal Democrat, voting for the Clinton budget and tax increase in 1993 and supporting his healthcare plan.  No wonder why he retired in 1994.  
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« Reply #17 on: February 03, 2013, 08:00:06 PM »

Frank Pallone in 1988 won what was a heavily Republican district where Bush won by a large margin. The guy challenging Lautenberg also won that district.

Yeah, that is a big one.  I dont know if that district in its 1981-1991 form would have even voted for Obama in 2012 or 2008.  It was basically most of Ocean county with a part of Monmouth. 
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« Reply #18 on: February 04, 2013, 10:52:27 AM »

Frank Pallone in 1988 won what was a heavily Republican district where Bush won by a large margin. The guy challenging Lautenberg also won that district.

Yeah, that is a big one.  I dont know if that district in its 1981-1991 form would have even voted for Obama in 2012 or 2008.  It was basically most of Ocean county with a part of Monmouth. 

Ocean County is a pretty uniformly red 58% Romney/McCain county. It wouldn't have been that close.
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« Reply #19 on: February 04, 2013, 06:32:59 PM »

Bob Dornan, a far-right firebrand, held a swing district in So Cal in the early 90's before losing to Loretta Sanchez.
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« Reply #20 on: February 04, 2013, 06:35:37 PM »

Bob Dornan, a far-right firebrand, held a swing district in So Cal in the early 90's before losing to Loretta Sanchez.

It wasnt really a swing district until around 1996.  Even in 1992, it voted for Bush and went for Bush by over 20 points in 1988. 
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« Reply #21 on: February 04, 2013, 09:36:56 PM »
« Edited: February 04, 2013, 09:39:59 PM by hopper »

Bob Dornan, a far-right firebrand, held a swing district in So Cal in the early 90's before losing to Loretta Sanchez.

It wasnt really a swing district until around 1996.  Even in 1992, it voted for Bush and went for Bush by over 20 points in 1988.  
Yeah Dornan lost a close race to Sanchez in '96 and than in a re-match Sanchez in '98 won in a route.
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« Reply #22 on: February 04, 2013, 09:41:58 PM »

Andrew Maguire was a pretty damn bad fit for his northeast Republican upper-class commuter voters he represented in the late 1970s. In with Watergate; out with Reagan.
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« Reply #23 on: February 04, 2013, 09:46:36 PM »

Ann Marie Buerkle
Chip Cravaack
Renee Ellmers
Betsy Markey
Alan Grayson (for the old FL-08)

Markey-She did vote for ObamaCare which I think really killed her getting re-elected again.
Elmers-I know she beat an incumbent Democrat for that seat but I don't know if she was conservative for that district. The  district she serves now since its like an R+11 district.

Buerkle and Cravaack were in moderate districts and voted like conservatives.
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« Reply #24 on: February 04, 2013, 09:56:19 PM »

The one that really comes to mind is Steve Chabot in OH-01 from 1994 to 2008.  That district was at best a swing district and Chabot voted like a Congressman from the most conservative part of Alabama. 

Carol Shea-Porter in NH-01.  This is the kind of district that would probably easily elect a New Democrat, but Shea-Porter is a member of the Progressive Caucus and does little to moderate her views.

Coffman in CO-06.  This is a slightly Dem leaning seat, yet Coffman is a birther.

Jim Nussle in IA-01/IA-02.  This was clearly a Democratic seat(around D+6 by 2004), yet Nussle was another Steve Chabot type and kept winning here until he left to run for governor in 2006.

There were a lot of these mismatches in the 1970's and 1980's when very liberal Democrats like Tom Downey, Jim Jontz, and Marty Russo kept winning heavily Republican districts.  Now with increased polarization, this phenomenon is less common.
No CO-6 is R+1 since the redistricting barring once the new Cook PVI's come out next month. I do think Coffman is a bad fit for his new district though. CO-6 had had a PVI of R+8 before the redistricting.
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