Opinion of the Ku Klux Klan

[Antonio the Sixth]

Also, Ronald Reagan said this in 1980 in Mississippi:
I believe in states' rights

Wait, you mean Ronald Reagan thinks the 10th Amendment exists? How shocking!

Thought*

He's dead

Nonsense, Zombie Ronald Reagan is the front-runner in 2016!

If the republicans used some technology/magic to bring Reagan back to life, he'd probably immediately commit suicide out of shame for what his party has become (Reagan himself would ashame Ike, Rockie and the other New Deal era Republicans, of course).

[Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook]

He also voted against confirming Thurgood Marshall to the Supreme Court.

Oldiesfreak logic: Senators Alexander (R-TN), Barrasso (R-WY), Bennett (R-UT), Bond (R-MO), Brown (R-MA), Brownback (R-KS), Bunning (R-KY), Burr (R-NC), Chambliss (R-GA), Coburn (R-OK), Cochran (R-MS), Corker (R-TN), Cornyn (R-TX), Crapo (R-ID), DeMint (R-SC), Ensign (R-NV), Enzi (R-WY), Grassley (R-IA), Hatch (R-UT), Hutchison (R-TX), Inhofe (R-OK), Isakson (R-GA), Johanns (R-NE), Kyl (R-AZ), LeMieux (R-FL), McCain (R-AZ), McConnell (R-KY), Murkowski (R-AK), Nelson (D-NE), Risch (R-ID), Roberts (R-KS), Sessions (R-AL), Shelby (R-AL), Thune (R-SD), Vitter (R-LA), Voinovich (R-OH), and Wicker (R-MS) are all anti-Semites, because they voted against confirming Elena Kagan.

To be fair, Southern votes against Marshall were mostly motived by race politics, though it's pretty good characteristic of Oldies' logic.

It was pandering to the base, that would go nuclear if they voted "aye". Amusingly, 20 years after voring against Marshall's confirmation, Hollings supported Jesse Jackson for the Democratic nomination.
[/quote]Were Southern votes against Uncle Thomas racially motivated too?

[Oldiesfreak1854]

He also voted against confirming Thurgood Marshall to the Supreme Court.

Oldiesfreak logic: Senators Alexander (R-TN), Barrasso (R-WY), Bennett (R-UT), Bond (R-MO), Brown (R-MA), Brownback (R-KS), Bunning (R-KY), Burr (R-NC), Chambliss (R-GA), Coburn (R-OK), Cochran (R-MS), Corker (R-TN), Cornyn (R-TX), Crapo (R-ID), DeMint (R-SC), Ensign (R-NV), Enzi (R-WY), Grassley (R-IA), Hatch (R-UT), Hutchison (R-TX), Inhofe (R-OK), Isakson (R-GA), Johanns (R-NE), Kyl (R-AZ), LeMieux (R-FL), McCain (R-AZ), McConnell (R-KY), Murkowski (R-AK), Nelson (D-NE), Risch (R-ID), Roberts (R-KS), Sessions (R-AL), Shelby (R-AL), Thune (R-SD), Vitter (R-LA), Voinovich (R-OH), and Wicker (R-MS) are all anti-Semites, because they voted against confirming Elena Kagan.

To be fair, Southern votes against Marshall were mostly motived by race politics, though it's pretty good characteristic of Oldies' logic.

It was pandering to the base, that would go nuclear if they voted "aye". Amusingly, 20 years after voring against Marshall's confirmation, Hollings supported Jesse Jackson for the Democratic nomination.

Were Southern votes against Uncle Thomas racially motivated too?
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You realize that calling Clarence Thomas that is racist?

Plus, Hollings may have supported Jesse Jackson, but he probably did that for political expedience as well.  He is on record as referring to blacks as "darkies" in 1986, referring to Mexicans as "wetbacks," calling a Jewish senator "the Senator from B'nai B'rith," and in 1993, he said the following:

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[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

And besides, how do you describe "urban crime" and "law and order" with any other term?

on this point, you are right.  Plenty of people did understand law and order in racial terms, but the growing threat from crime was a perfectly understandable concern at the time.  Besides, the conflation of "law and order" - whether racist or not - and the "Southern Strategy" is just confused.  The former was campaign was directed toward urban areas across all regions. The latter was directed toward the mostly rural Upper South and was more anti-Yankee than anything else.

[Frodo]

The modern relatively toothless version for refugees from the 19th century is the least horrible.  The Reconstruction, 1920s, and Civil Rights Era KKKs are all horrible in different fashions.

The 1920s version was the least violent of the three, but had the potential to go nationwide.  If it hadn't been for the improprieties its leadership engaged in, it might well have survived as a strong organization into the 30s and become our version of the Nazis and Fascists.

The Reconstruction era KKK was the most violent, but at least had the relative virtue of being single-minded in its purpose.  The anti-Semitism and anti-Catholicism of the later versions wasn't there in general, tho the first KKK was so disorganized, there probably were some

The Civil Rights Era KKK was the dying gasp of institutionalized racism. Once stripped of its official support, it morphed into the almost pitiable version of today. Only that it is still capable of occasional acts of violence keeps the modern KKK from being actually pitiable in their pathetic quest to restore a past that never was.

How do you measure the relative violence-levels of either incarnation of the KKK?  

[Warren 4 Secretary of Everything]

The modern relatively toothless version for refugees from the 19th century is the least horrible.  The Reconstruction, 1920s, and Civil Rights Era KKKs are all horrible in different fashions.

The 1920s version was the least violent of the three, but had the potential to go nationwide.  If it hadn't been for the improprieties its leadership engaged in, it might well have survived as a strong organization into the 30s and become our version of the Nazis and Fascists.

The Reconstruction era KKK was the most violent, but at least had the relative virtue of being single-minded in its purpose.  The anti-Semitism and anti-Catholicism of the later versions wasn't there in general, tho the first KKK was so disorganized, there probably were some

The Civil Rights Era KKK was the dying gasp of institutionalized racism. Once stripped of its official support, it morphed into the almost pitiable version of today. Only that it is still capable of occasional acts of violence keeps the modern KKK from being actually pitiable in their pathetic quest to restore a past that never was.

How do you measure the relative violence-levels of either incarnation of the KKK?  

A yardstick

[RogueBeaver]

As Hash said in the Hitler thread: "Really? Really?" Otherwise scum of the earth, putting it mildly.

[Frodo]

Who are the 22 people who voted 'freedom organization'? 

[Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook]

Who are the 22 people who voted 'freedom organization'? 

Protest voters.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Who are the 22 people who voted 'freedom organization'? 

They expected FF to be the first option and weren't paying attention.

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

Who are the 22 people who voted 'freedom organization'? 

Protest voters.

Or confused by the fact that it was where "horrible organization/person/whatever" normally is.

[Mordecai]

HO.

Supporting statesrights does not make you racist.

That's right, but it was used as a codeword for racially discriminatory politics.

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It's now used as an argument against things like the Civil Rights Acts and the Voting Rights Act by modern day Republicans.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

I love the Krusty Komedy Klassic!

[ingemann]

2. Reagan made his statement about states' rights in 1980.  While it was certainly in an unfortunate location (Philadelphia, MS), it doesn't mean that he was trying to pander to racism.

Let imagine that a German politician in a German city with a old KZ camp near, began to use "innocent" buzz words, which the Nazi had used about Jews. Do you think you would be as forgiving in that case.

Reagan was not a idiot and the murders or Segregation was not far into the past.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

HO.

Supporting statesrights does not make you racist.

That's right, but it was used as a codeword for racially discriminatory politics.

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Not to say that appeals to states rights haven't had racial connotations, but this quote too often is used to make it sound like Atwater is saying almost the exact opposite of what he was actually saying if you read it carefully and in context.

[MATTROSE94]

Arguably the most bigoted, backwards and hate-filled organization in American history, so Massive HO.

[NewYorkExpress]

It's a horrible organization of course... and you could make  a case (a weak one, but still a case) that supporting state's rights is racist.

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

Bumping my own reply

Rather irrelevant these days.

[Cassius]

Arguably the most bigoted, backwards and hate-filled organization in American history, so Massive HO. I assume that Cassuis might be the only person on the entire forum who feels that it is a Freedom Organization.

Pah. Quite apart from the Klan's extensive history of lawlessness and terrorism, the fact is that I wouldn't exactly be popular amongst the Klan's members (what with my Catholicism, and my acceptance of interracial marriage and so on and so forth).

[Kushahontas]

....with or without hindsight?




joking

[MATTROSE94]

Arguably the most bigoted, backwards and hate-filled organization in American history, so Massive HO. I assume that Cassuis might be the only person on the entire forum who feels that it is a Freedom Organization.

Pah. Quite apart from the Klan's extensive history of lawlessness and terrorism, the fact is that I wouldn't exactly be popular amongst the Klan's members (what with my Catholicism, and my acceptance of interracial marriage and so on and so forth).

Good point. I sincerely appologize for my post and for offending you in any way. I will edit my post to remove what I said about you.

[Franzl]

Reagan was not a idiot

Honestly...I would dispute that.

[ElectionsGuy]

Obvious HO is obvious.

[Oldiesfreak1854]

Who are the 29 people who voted FO?

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

At least they're not liberals trying to be post-racial [/True Leftist]