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Question: If the At-Large Senate special election were today, how would you vote?
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Fmr. Governor FezzyFestoon (TPP-CO)
 
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Fmr. IDS Co-Speaker Adam Griffin (LAB-GA)
 
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NE LT. Governor. Republitarian (Goldwater) (F-DE)
 
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President Napoleon (LIB-CT)
 
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Other:
 
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None of The Above
 
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« Reply #50 on: February 07, 2013, 12:37:28 AM »

It was not a mistaken assumption, regardless of whatever ensued. Napoleon openly advocated for the PPT position to become more partisan and resemble more of a "Majority Leader" role than an unpartisan administrator. Which is just another thing to chalk against him being in the Senate, IMO.
Will you continue this attitude towards our President should you and he both be elected in a couple weeks?
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« Reply #51 on: February 07, 2013, 12:49:15 AM »

Your solution to incredibly binding partisanship was to introduce more partisanship. The problem back then wasn't how Senate administration was conducted, to say the least.

If you and I are both elected in our respective races, I hope we can work together to achieve the things we need to achieve; that it's at least a productive relationship. My concern is that we've tried to work together on reform in the past, and the response I got back then worries me for the future.
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« Reply #52 on: February 07, 2013, 12:56:14 AM »

Sailor Moon versus the puppies, who paid for this show? Tongue


Well I suppose it is kind of like how some think the solution for lazy, inaudacious VPs is throw him into a lot of SEnators who are also likewise lacking in audacity and think that will fix a problem.

God, I am so glad I can be on after midnight again. Now if only I didn't have to use Windows Seven to do it. Wink
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« Reply #53 on: February 07, 2013, 12:56:39 AM »

Well, it's disappointing that its come to this, Marokai. I was looking forward to a great clean race. All of my opponents would be great Senators, I want to be a part of this race and make it fun. There was never a need for this bitchfest. You don't need to tell me what's gone wrong with my Presidency- I'm well aware of the stumbles, but why harp on it? You didn't go after Barnes when he ran for Senate- you supported him!! I've done nothing wrong in the context of this campaign, or even as President in recent weeks (not to mention a first term that was pretty dang good, I think).

I want what's best for the game, Marokai. How dare you suggest otherwise. I spent so long trying to find cabinet officials, only to see them fall inactive and have to search even harder to replace them. I even went out of my way to ask you who you would hope to appoint as GM, so that I could replace Shua with someone that would stick around for a while.I don't believe in the absurd idea that someone "deserves" a Senate seat, but even if I didn't deserve one, I certainly don't deserve to have you jumping down my throat because I want to be part of an election in an elections game. I've laid out my purpose, I've admitted my mistakes, I've worked to correct my flaws. What else am I supposed to do to avoid the hysteria?
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« Reply #54 on: February 07, 2013, 12:59:26 AM »

If you get elected, just be a friend of reform. It's all I ask.
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« Reply #55 on: February 07, 2013, 01:15:41 AM »

I am glad thats over finally. Smiley
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« Reply #56 on: February 07, 2013, 05:37:46 AM »

Goldwater.

One candidate should absolutely be out of contention, and I am honestly so disappointed to see Federalists struggling with this decision. Goldwater is our candidate, and he is a fantastic one. I will have a hard time voting for any Federalist in the future who gets this decision wrong. If I make enemies saying that, I make enemies saying that.

I wholeheartedly agree with Hagrid. There's no reason why Federalists and independent centrist or center-right voters shouldn't give their first preference to Goldwater and choose their following preferences very wisely. Considering the entire field of candidates, Goldwater's by far the best man for people with centrist or conservative ideals.
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« Reply #57 on: February 07, 2013, 06:45:41 AM »

Hagrid and ZuWo are spot on. Plus we also as center-right and centrist folks need to stand together in the Mideast.
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« Reply #58 on: February 07, 2013, 05:51:34 PM »

I want to reward President Napoleon so much for his great two terms as President that I will allow him to have a good vacation from federal politics and not offer him any of my preferences. Smiley

I won't be preferencing the centre-right either for obvious reasons, even if it's not with any animosity either.

So my vote shall go as follows :
1. Griffin
2. Fezzy
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« Reply #59 on: February 08, 2013, 02:07:37 AM »

If you get elected, just be a friend of reform. It's all I ask.

The best reform I can think would be the abolition of unity tickets (whether by abolishing the VP completely, electing it separately, it doesn't really matter at this point) to stop people like you from trying to come up with boring unbeatable tickets.

Competition is awesome! Unless of course you're running. But you deserve to be President, so it's like totally different!

We also need to have debate in the Senate! Unless of course that person disagrees with you, in which case he is a troll who should just go away! But you're always right, so it's like, totally different!

What you call a "friend of reform" I call a supporter of bad ideas. I'm kind of surprised you're still harping on with your tired old reform mantra. But if people are still buying that load of crap, I suppose there is no incentive for you to stop.
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« Reply #60 on: February 08, 2013, 02:27:22 AM »

If you get elected, just be a friend of reform. It's all I ask.

The best reform I can think would be the abolition of unity tickets (whether by abolishing the VP completely, electing it separately, it doesn't really matter at this point) to stop people like you from trying to come up with boring unbeatable tickets.

Duke and I promised each other we would one day run together in September 2010, after I first asked him to be my running mate, he turned me down, and then I bowed out of the race for Fritz as my grandfather had a stroke and then I had my own cancer scare. I was a close supporter of Duke when he ran in October 2011 and it didn't work out for him. This time, things worked out for us, the time felt right, and so we cashed in the promise.

When I ran with Purple State in June 2010 it wasn't to be "unbeatable" it was just right. It was the best thing for us, the best thing for the game, I wanted to be his running mate because I felt we were the best partners to be in government, and I did the same with Duke this time.

There are tickets that are gross super-coalitions that make no sense, which are harmful and should be discouraged, for sure. But I didn't pick a Federalist running mate from the hard-right for maximum political benefit; I picked Duke, and it makes sense why I did. It's unfair of you to keep accusing me of picking Duke for political reasons; I picked him for personal reasons.
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« Reply #61 on: February 08, 2013, 02:37:25 AM »

Why should I be complaining, you guys are keeping this on the top of of the board.


Okay, you two, tear each other apart!!! Evil Nappy can jump back in too if wants to. Wink
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« Reply #62 on: February 08, 2013, 02:38:02 AM »

When I ran with Purple State in June 2010 it wasn't to be "unbeatable" it was just right. It was the best thing for us, the best thing for the game, I wanted to be his running mate because I felt we were the best partners to be in government, and I did the same with Duke this time.

You're practically a self-parody at this point.
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« Reply #63 on: February 08, 2013, 02:38:30 AM »

Why should I be complaining, you guys are keeping this on the top of of the board.

Okay, you two, tear each other apart!!! Evil Nappy can jump back in too if wants to. Wink

I'm merely defending my running mate's honor, Yankee. Duke means a great deal to me. Tongue
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« Reply #64 on: February 08, 2013, 02:40:02 AM »

Why should I be complaining, you guys are keeping this on the top of of the board.

Okay, you two, tear each other apart!!! Evil Nappy can jump back in too if wants to. Wink

I'm merely defending my running mate's honor, Yankee. Duke means a great deal to me. Tongue

And I fully support your right to do so (and in the process keeping this bumped up top for me) Tongue
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« Reply #65 on: February 08, 2013, 11:46:42 AM »

to stop people like you from trying to come up with boring unbeatable tickets.
Not if Phil/Tmth has anything to say about it!!!


For being so big on game reform and increasing competitive elections, it did somewhat surprise me that Marokai decided to go with a unity ticket, essentially guaranteeing an easy, uncompetitive victory for him. The only way to defeat a unity ticket is another unity ticket.
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« Reply #66 on: February 08, 2013, 01:24:57 PM »

The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun .....  Tongue
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« Reply #67 on: February 08, 2013, 02:12:38 PM »

I will be voting for Cathcon, but I just want it to be on the record that if Marokai wins, there was no "coasting to victory." The platform that he and Duke produced has got to be one of the most detailed campaign documents I've ever seen in Atlasia.

Marokai's win only seems innevitable because the Liberal centre did not put out a candidate. If they did, you can rest assured that it would've rendered the unity scheme pretty useless. Did Marokai and Duke luck out? Maybe a little. But it's not an "unbeatable" ticket.
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« Reply #68 on: February 08, 2013, 02:21:15 PM »

I will be voting for Cathcon, but I just want it to be on the record that if Marokai wins, there was no "coasting to victory." The platform that he and Duke produced has got to be one of the most detailed campaign documents I've ever seen in Atlasia.

Marokai's win only seems innevitable because the Liberal centre did not put out a candidate. If they did, you can rest assured that it would've rendered the unity scheme pretty useless. Did Marokai and Duke luck out? Maybe a little. But it's not an "unbeatable" ticket.

That's right. If Marokai/Duke win, which I think is extremely likely, it must be stated that they deserve it, even though the second debate was disappointing. The same can be said about Cathcon/Spamage and Winfield/Simfan, who are all serious candidates and have made a real effort. Also, Marokai/Duke isn't exactly a unity ticket as they are both at least left of center. Duke seems to have shifted to the left in the recent months and Marokai, despite being a loony socialist from time to time Tongue, can actually be quite reasonable. Wink
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« Reply #69 on: February 08, 2013, 02:23:45 PM »

They deserve it. Okay.
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« Reply #70 on: February 08, 2013, 02:31:46 PM »

Marokai's win only seems innevitable because the Liberal centre did not put out a candidate. If they did, you can rest assured that it would've rendered the unity scheme pretty useless. Did Marokai and Duke luck out? Maybe a little. But it's not an "unbeatable" ticket.

Scott/Wolfentoad?
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« Reply #71 on: February 08, 2013, 02:36:01 PM »

Whatever happened to the VP debate?
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« Reply #72 on: February 08, 2013, 02:58:25 PM »


No one wanted to do it. Sad
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« Reply #73 on: February 08, 2013, 02:59:22 PM »

It's been a lackluster campaign. Tongue
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« Reply #74 on: February 08, 2013, 05:41:04 PM »

It's curious, this insistence on "competition" above all else. When has competition been a panacea? June 2012 was "competitive", October 2011 was quite "competitive", but that didn't solve anything in the long-run. Having hot in-the-moment fun is a great thing, and competition is desirable and good, but if it's not serving a greater long-term purpose, it's effectively a distraction from much bigger things that are understandably tougher to grapple with. Competition is a great thing to have and we should try to have it whenever it naturally occurs; but we shouldn't induce competition for silly competition's sake, it does nothing more than a weekend of fun, and then we wake up to a 4-month long hangover.

Obsessive focus on competition is arguably what causes these high-school shenanigans, where different sides tirelessly scheme for ways to come up with the better coalition, it's where stupid personal grudges are built and people trying to find ways to hurt everyone's feelings. If that's what some people what the game to focus more on, then more power to them, I suppose, but I don't come here for "I'm not here to make friends" reality show crap, you know?

Here's the long and the short: If anyone here doesn't want to vote for me, that's A-OK. Really, I don't feel upset at all if people decide to vote for another candidate they feel is better for the job. But if someone decides to not vote for me because of a petty, shallow reason, I do not respect that, and I daresay my campaign is a referendum on whether you want a personality contest game, or a game with a bit more depth than that. Disagree with my ideas, but don't disrespect me as a person. It's not really that much to ask for, is it?

I thank Hagrid and ZuWo for their kind words. You're good folks.
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