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« on: February 08, 2013, 10:45:40 AM »

Critics of photo ID and other laws cracking down on voter fraud claim they’re unnecessary because fraud is nonexistent. Brennan Center attorneys Michael Waldman and Justin Levitt claimed last year: “A person casting two votes risks jail time and a fine for minimal gain. Proven voter fraud, statistically, happens about as often as death by lightning strike.”

Well, lightning is suddenly all over Cincinnati, Ohio. The Hamilton County Board of Elections is investigating 19 possible cases of alleged voter fraud that occurred when Ohio was a focal point of the 2012 presidential election. A total of 19 voters and nine witnesses are part of the probe.

Democrat Melowese Richardson has been an official poll worker for the last quarter century and registered thousands of people to vote last year. She candidly admitted to Cincinnati’s Channel 9 this week that she voted twice in the last election.

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During the investigation it was also discovered that her granddaughter, India Richardson, who was a first time voter in the 2012 election, cast two ballots in November.

Richardson insists she has done nothing wrong and promises to contest the charges: “I’ll fight it for Mr. Obama and for Mr. Obama’s right to sit as president of the United States.”

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http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/340174/voter-fraud-never-happens-keeps-coming-back-john-fund
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« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2013, 10:50:22 AM »

What a dummy.
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« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2013, 10:56:33 AM »

Doesn't sound much like news to me. Through endless recounts, constantly contested results, and an always disappointing end for democracy, I've noticed more than a few disturbing trends. Not the least of which is an apparent neglect to actually count votes in most places. Elections in the US are mostly for show at this point, especially on a national scale. As long as the results seem likely, nobody really seems to care how we got there, despite ongoing reports election after election of democracy slowly fading from our voting booths.
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« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2013, 10:57:59 AM »

This would not be possible here for several checks and balances reasons:

In AUT, you are automatically registered to vote and assigned to a certain precinct in your city. You can ONLY vote in this precinct, unless you request an absentee ballot. With this absentee ballot you can either vote by post, at your assigned precinct or at any precinct in AUT. If you request an absentee ballot and send it in by post, you are UNABLE to vote at a precint station. Why ? Because the voter list at the precinct would show "absentee ballot requested". And because you sent it in by post already, you cannot vote anymore because if you requested an absentee ballot, you HAVE TO BRING this absentee ballot with you to the precinct. If you already sent it in by post, that's impossible.
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« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2013, 11:04:37 AM »

This doesn't surprise me, that someone with access to voter registration and the ballots would vote twice, seriously I think these people need closer supervision.
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« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2013, 11:22:16 AM »

Voter fraud still only happens less than lightning strikes do. All this fearmongering about it is ridiculous. Though I do agree that poll workers should be supervised closely.
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« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2013, 11:24:30 AM »

Doesn't sound much like news to me. Through endless recounts, constantly contested results, and an always disappointing end for democracy, I've noticed more than a few disturbing trends. Not the least of which is an apparent neglect to actually count votes in most places. Elections in the US are mostly for show at this point, especially on a national scale. As long as the results seem likely, nobody really seems to care how we got there, despite ongoing reports election after election of democracy slowly fading from our voting booths.

It is interesting that people really only seem to care about any problems (and most US states have lots of them) with elections if it has any chance of changing the winner.
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« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2013, 12:36:36 PM »

Voter fraud still only happens less than lightning strikes do. All this fearmongering about it is ridiculous. Though I do agree that poll workers should be supervised closely.

If your'e comfortable believing that, enjoy. But that's not even what he said, so your proclamation is a little excessive regardless.
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« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2013, 01:04:41 PM »

Yep, these people are known for cheating.

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20130205/NEWS/302050144?nclick_check=1

The girl told officials that her grandmother had filled out an absentee ballot request in her name and then voted it, “because she didn’t think I would go do it.” The granddaughter, however, cast a provisional ballot – used when there are questions over a voter’s eligibility – on Election Day, which caught officials’ attention because two votes in her name had been cast, one of which was later disqualified.

The woman’s questionable actions did not end there. Officials found that not only had the granddaughter’s absentee ballot been sent to her grandmother’s Whetsel Avenue address, but that three other absentee requests – in the names of men – also originated from the same address.
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« Reply #9 on: February 08, 2013, 01:13:27 PM »

Conclusion:

The US badly needs a Central Residence Registry (CRR), that tracks every move of a person in and out of a city or those persons pay a hefty fine if they don't, so that they are automatically registered to vote, or just another good election system that is fail-save.
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« Reply #10 on: February 08, 2013, 01:30:26 PM »

Yep, these people are known for cheating.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2012/11/03/roxanne-rubin-nevada-voting-twice_n_2068999.html
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« Reply #11 on: February 08, 2013, 01:43:26 PM »

This would not be possible here for several checks and balances reasons:

In AUT, you are automatically registered to vote and assigned to a certain precinct in your city. You can ONLY vote in this precinct, unless you request an absentee ballot. With this absentee ballot you can either vote by post, at your assigned precinct or at any precinct in AUT. If you request an absentee ballot and send it in by post, you are UNABLE to vote at a precint station. Why ? Because the voter list at the precinct would show "absentee ballot requested". And because you sent it in by post already, you cannot vote anymore because if you requested an absentee ballot, you HAVE TO BRING this absentee ballot with you to the precinct. If you already sent it in by post, that's impossible.

What happens when the absentee ballot is lost in the mail while in transit to the voter?
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« Reply #12 on: February 08, 2013, 02:01:30 PM »

She's right!
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« Reply #13 on: February 08, 2013, 02:08:08 PM »

This would not be possible here for several checks and balances reasons:

In AUT, you are automatically registered to vote and assigned to a certain precinct in your city. You can ONLY vote in this precinct, unless you request an absentee ballot. With this absentee ballot you can either vote by post, at your assigned precinct or at any precinct in AUT. If you request an absentee ballot and send it in by post, you are UNABLE to vote at a precint station. Why ? Because the voter list at the precinct would show "absentee ballot requested". And because you sent it in by post already, you cannot vote anymore because if you requested an absentee ballot, you HAVE TO BRING this absentee ballot with you to the precinct. If you already sent it in by post, that's impossible.

What happens when the absentee ballot is lost in the mail while in transit to the voter?

This has never happened so far. These are government documents that are sent by priority mail. In case it still happens you probably need to contact your local town hall office or the post office to see what happened with the ballot.
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« Reply #14 on: February 08, 2013, 03:43:11 PM »


The US badly needs a Central Residence Registry (CRR), that tracks every move of a person in and out of a city or those persons pay a hefty fine if they don't

What?
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« Reply #15 on: February 08, 2013, 03:53:33 PM »

This would not be possible here for several checks and balances reasons:

In AUT, you are automatically registered to vote and assigned to a certain precinct in your city. You can ONLY vote in this precinct, unless you request an absentee ballot. With this absentee ballot you can either vote by post, at your assigned precinct or at any precinct in AUT. If you request an absentee ballot and send it in by post, you are UNABLE to vote at a precint station. Why ? Because the voter list at the precinct would show "absentee ballot requested". And because you sent it in by post already, you cannot vote anymore because if you requested an absentee ballot, you HAVE TO BRING this absentee ballot with you to the precinct. If you already sent it in by post, that's impossible.

What happens when the absentee ballot is lost in the mail while in transit to the voter?

This has never happened so far. These are government documents that are sent by priority mail. In case it still happens you probably need to contact your local town hall office or the post office to see what happened with the ballot.

I seriously doubt that. What is possible is that no one cares about it, and it doesn't get much press attention. But I'm sure some people lose the right to vote due to lost absentee ballots at every election.
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« Reply #16 on: February 08, 2013, 03:58:30 PM »

Great, some cannon fodder for Republicans trying to justify voter suppression... Roll Eyes
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« Reply #17 on: February 08, 2013, 04:05:18 PM »

GOP sour grapes.

They lost, they need to GET OVER IT.
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« Reply #18 on: February 08, 2013, 04:20:48 PM »

GOP sour grapes.

They lost, they need to GET OVER IT.

How does this excuse voter fraud in any way?
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« Reply #19 on: February 08, 2013, 05:19:14 PM »


The US badly needs a Central Residence Registry (CRR), that tracks every move of a person in and out of a city or those persons pay a hefty fine if they don't

What?

He's right.
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« Reply #20 on: February 08, 2013, 05:25:22 PM »


The US badly needs a Central Residence Registry (CRR), that tracks every move of a person in and out of a city or those persons pay a hefty fine if they don't

What?

He's right.

Exactly... you can't be freaked out about voter fraud, if you expect it to be based on the honour system.
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« Reply #21 on: February 08, 2013, 06:57:44 PM »

The US badly needs a Central Residence Registry (CRR), that tracks every move of a person in and out of a city or those persons pay a hefty fine if they don't
What?
He's right.

Yeah, I don't see what's objectionable about that. The government knowing where you live? I think we're bordering on paranoia if we're afraid of that.
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« Reply #22 on: February 08, 2013, 07:31:52 PM »

You mean there is NO residence registry in the US? Huh LOL, this country never ceases to amaze...
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« Reply #23 on: February 08, 2013, 08:09:13 PM »

You mean there is NO residence registry in the US? Huh LOL, this country never ceases to amaze...

Yes, it's known as the DMV.
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« Reply #24 on: February 08, 2013, 09:04:04 PM »

You mean there is NO residence registry in the US? Huh LOL, this country never ceases to amaze...

Yes, it's known as the DMV.

Would that really count? The state DMV databases don't cover children or people without driver's licenses/state ID cards as far as I know.

Even referencing across federal databases like IRS tax filings, Social Security numbers, and the Selective Service System wouldn't give an up to date residence registry as not everyone files taxes, the Social Security Administration doesn't keep track of people's current addresses, and the Selective Service only requires address change updates for 18-25 y/o males.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_documents_in_the_United_States

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