Vatican City 2013 papal election

[Franknburger]

Latest rumours from here: The main reason for Benedict's retreat was a recent internal review of  the Vatican Bank's operations. The Bank has already for some time been under EU pressure to upgrade transparency to EU standards, otherwise the Bank may be banned from all financial operations on EU territory. Talk is about the bank having financed the mafia and terrorists. Insiders report that a major clean-up will be required, which Benedict felt too old to carry through. One of Benedict's last actions in office, however, has been sending Bertone's right hand, and the Bank's controller inside the Curia, as papal nuntius to Bogota. The Bank's situation was on the agenda of yesterdays pre-conclave Cardinals meeting.

If the issue is as serious as it appears, that should not bode too well for any Italian candidate. Otherwise, Oullet and O'Malley are now also getting mentioned by the German press, alongside with Scola, Scherer and Turkson.  Does any of them (or any other papable Cardinal) happen to have a banking background?

[MaxQue]

OuEllet. Everybody foreign is hurting that name, even it's very common in Quebec.
No banking past for him, but a past in Curia, Quebec and Colombia.

By the way, Quebec news are getting crazy, we got a very long article on him playing hockey and the ice rink where he broke his leg while he was 19.

Sure, I hope it's him, since he is the local guy (local as he grew less than one hour away from a my home town and his first job after his ordination was vicar in church of my own town).

At least, it bring journalists in the region at a moment where hotels are pretty empty. 50 journalists is much (especially in the little village where he grew, of 450 inhabitants). International media are talking of that village, hopefully, that will bring some tourists (even if there is literaly nothing to see there). It's a small village near a beautiful lake, which attracted an artsy community.

[HagridOfTheDeep]

You're from Val-d'Or, Max?

[MaxQue]

You're from Val-d'Or, Max?

I thought it was pretty common knowledge (through I'm currently living on Montreal for studies).
Why?

[HagridOfTheDeep]

I guess I don't venture up from Atlasia enough.

It's just kind of a neat coincidence, because I was there a few months ago visiting some extended family. It's a nice place.

[minionofmidas]

My "money" is on a fairly drawnout conclave and a dark horse victory.

[Paleobrazilian]

Latest rumours from here: The main reason for Benedict's retreat was a recent internal review of  the Vatican Bank's operations. The Bank has already for some time been under EU pressure to upgrade transparency to EU standards, otherwise the Bank may be banned from all financial operations on EU territory. Talk is about the bank having financed the mafia and terrorists. Insiders report that a major clean-up will be required, which Benedict felt too old to carry through. One of Benedict's last actions in office, however, has been sending Bertone's right hand, and the Bank's controller inside the Curia, as papal nuntius to Bogota. The Bank's situation was on the agenda of yesterdays pre-conclave Cardinals meeting.

If the issue is as serious as it appears, that should not bode too well for any Italian candidate. Otherwise, Oullet and O'Malley are now also getting mentioned by the German press, alongside with Scola, Scherer and Turkson.  Does any of them (or any other papable Cardinal) happen to have a banking background?

Scherer is a member of the Vatican Bank supervisory committee and a member of the Vatican's financial committee...

[Famous Mortimer]

What terrorists is the Church accused of funding? The mafia I could totally believe but terrorists sounds like stupid conspiracy theory crap that can be totally discounted.

[Platypus]

Maybe in Sri Lanka? Colombia? Nicaragua? Spain? Lebanon? Philippines? Ireland/N. Ireland?

But yeah, strikes me as highly improbable.

[Tender Branson]

Procedere for today:

Cardinals will enter the Sistine Chapel @ 4.30pm and then the voting starts.

Smoke should be seen at 7pm.

Every cardinal HAS to vote, there are no abstentions.

2/3 majority is needed.

[Paleobrazilian]

This is how the Habemus Papam will be delivered, probably by the Protodeacon:

Annuntio vobis gaudium magnum:
Habemus Papam!
Eminentissimum ac reverendissimum Dominum,
Dominum [First Name] Sanctæ Romanæ Ecclesiæ Cardinalem [Last Name],
Qui sibi nomen imposuit [Papal Name].

The First Name is spoken in Latin, under the accusative case. Thus, for exemple, if a Cardinal named Peter is elected, the Protodeacon will say "Dominum Petrum", I guess.

The Last Name will be spoken normally, so this is where we'll know for sure who the new Pope is.

The Papal Name chosen will be spoken in Latin, under the genitive case. If the new Pope takes the same name of the old Pope (that would be Benedict XVII), the Protodeacon doesn't speak the number.

Cardinal Jean-Louis Tauran (picture below) is the Protodeacon. If he doesn't emerge from the balcony to deliver the speech, you'll know he's the new Pope.

[minionofmidas]

The Papal Name chosen will be spoken in Latin, under the genitive case. If the new Pope takes the same name of the old Pope (that would be Benedict XVII), the Protodeacon doesn't speak the number.

Why is that?

[Keystone Phil]

Polls about to open after minor delays in the Vatican City/Sistine Chapel precinct.

[Tender Branson]

Polls about to open after minor delays in the Vatican City/Sistine Chapel precinct.

Delays ?

They are singing, then taking an oath.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

The Papal Name chosen will be spoken in Latin, under the genitive case. If the new Pope takes the same name of the old Pope (that would be Benedict XVII), the Protodeacon doesn't speak the number.

Why is that?

Presumably because they figure in that case, everyone there will know to add one, whereas with a name not that of the most recent pope, there will be people who won't know what number with which to add one.  Tho I think John Paul III, would be blindingly obvious. (Not that I think that name will be chosen.)

[Keystone Phil]

Polls about to open after minor delays in the Vatican City/Sistine Chapel precinct.

Delays ?

They are singing, then taking an oath.

I thought that was supposed to end by 11:30 EST.

[Tender Branson]

Roll call of oaths.

[Tender Branson]

"Eleonore Schönborn: Pope - that would be way too hard for my son."

(Well, would be kind of strange to get an Austrian Pope exactly 75 years after the Anschluss to Germany, following a German Pope ... )

[Tender Branson]

Cardinal O'Malley is actually pronounced "O-Mully" ?

[bore]

What kind of backward country doesn't have exit polls?

[Paleobrazilian]

Extra omnes can't come soon enough.

Expected more from the Latin of those guys!

[Paleobrazilian]

LOL, Cardinal Braz de Aviz forgot he should say his first name in Latin

[Paleobrazilian]

The first black smoke could emerge rather quickly from the Sistine Chapel. Italian Vaticanists say Scola may get 50 votes off the bat and he's currently at 5/2 at Paddy Power. I still think he'll fail to consolidate 2/3 of the votes, but I may be missing something here.

[Platypus]

So after all that...we're back to an Italian in his 60s?

[Silent Hunter]

Well, until the white smoke arrives, all is guessing... this might take a while.